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<blockquote data-quote="guachi" data-source="post: 8488656" data-attributes="member: 6785802"><p>I loved the silly parts of Gaz 10 and Orc Wars is a fun game. And modeling a fantasy culture on something real world isn't problematic or it would be near impossible to have anything anyone could relate to. Using a term like "gris gris" isn't a problem. If it is, the only thing that would be allowable would be borrowing from Western European culture. And how is that any better? All fantasy RPGs are western European focused from now on to prevent appropriation?</p><p></p><p>No, the real problem is presentation in a derogatory manner, like using "red" and "yellow" Orc and making it clearly based on Native Americans and Asians. I grew up in Montana and played D&D off and on through junior high and high school with a Crow Indian and he had no real problem with the parody aspect Gaz 10. He did have a problem with "red" orcs, though, as that, even to us teenagers, was clearly an out-of-fashion term that should have died years before.</p><p></p><p>Gaz10 is a parody of lots of modern cultures. The kobolds, for example, are a parody of Italian culture. The possibility of you writing a post deriding any of that is exactly zero. I'm partly of Italian ancestry and it didn't bother me. At no point did I think Bruce Heard was actually being derogatory towards real world Italians. Many of Mystara's biggest fans are Italians and I'm unaware of any of them being offended by the Kobold Italian parody in Gaz 10.</p><p></p><p>The OP makes reference to the "sacred" land at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. For those who are unaware, the land the battle was fought on was Crow land. The Sioux, Arapahoe, and Cheyenne who fought the battle had, for lack of a better word, invaded Crown land and the Crow supported the US in expelling the invaders.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="guachi, post: 8488656, member: 6785802"] I loved the silly parts of Gaz 10 and Orc Wars is a fun game. And modeling a fantasy culture on something real world isn't problematic or it would be near impossible to have anything anyone could relate to. Using a term like "gris gris" isn't a problem. If it is, the only thing that would be allowable would be borrowing from Western European culture. And how is that any better? All fantasy RPGs are western European focused from now on to prevent appropriation? No, the real problem is presentation in a derogatory manner, like using "red" and "yellow" Orc and making it clearly based on Native Americans and Asians. I grew up in Montana and played D&D off and on through junior high and high school with a Crow Indian and he had no real problem with the parody aspect Gaz 10. He did have a problem with "red" orcs, though, as that, even to us teenagers, was clearly an out-of-fashion term that should have died years before. Gaz10 is a parody of lots of modern cultures. The kobolds, for example, are a parody of Italian culture. The possibility of you writing a post deriding any of that is exactly zero. I'm partly of Italian ancestry and it didn't bother me. At no point did I think Bruce Heard was actually being derogatory towards real world Italians. Many of Mystara's biggest fans are Italians and I'm unaware of any of them being offended by the Kobold Italian parody in Gaz 10. The OP makes reference to the "sacred" land at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. For those who are unaware, the land the battle was fought on was Crow land. The Sioux, Arapahoe, and Cheyenne who fought the battle had, for lack of a better word, invaded Crown land and the Crow supported the US in expelling the invaders. [/QUOTE]
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