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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8488686" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>This is absolutely false.</p><p></p><p>Little Big Man was 1979. It's a problematic movie in it's own way but it very clearly illustrates how attitudes had changed, at least among people who cared to educate themselves. And someone deciding to base stuff on other cultures should be doing that. I mean, OA is criticised, but there's actual research and consultation with Japanese people and so on there. Whereas this is just heartless racist mockery. "Big Chief Sitting Drool"? I mean jesus bro, you're trying to tell me that was "A-okay" in 1988? Because no. I was 10 in 1988, and even in the UK I would have known that was wrong. I mean, I knew calling Native Americans "Indians" was wrong at that age.</p><p></p><p>Don't try to pretend that in the 1980s no-one knew or cared about this stuff.</p><p></p><p>As for "Well lots of the Gazetteers were basically giant racist piles of racial stereotypes featuring non-white races frequently being projected on to non-humans" (and not demihumans, whereas vice-versa didn't happen at all AFAICT - I'm open to counter-examples, and they may exist because Mystara had so much in it, but all the "white" races/cultures I can think off-hand seemed to projected on to humans or demihumans), that's not the sterling defence you think it is. That's actually an unintentional condemnation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8488686, member: 18"] This is absolutely false. Little Big Man was 1979. It's a problematic movie in it's own way but it very clearly illustrates how attitudes had changed, at least among people who cared to educate themselves. And someone deciding to base stuff on other cultures should be doing that. I mean, OA is criticised, but there's actual research and consultation with Japanese people and so on there. Whereas this is just heartless racist mockery. "Big Chief Sitting Drool"? I mean jesus bro, you're trying to tell me that was "A-okay" in 1988? Because no. I was 10 in 1988, and even in the UK I would have known that was wrong. I mean, I knew calling Native Americans "Indians" was wrong at that age. Don't try to pretend that in the 1980s no-one knew or cared about this stuff. As for "Well lots of the Gazetteers were basically giant racist piles of racial stereotypes featuring non-white races frequently being projected on to non-humans" (and not demihumans, whereas vice-versa didn't happen at all AFAICT - I'm open to counter-examples, and they may exist because Mystara had so much in it, but all the "white" races/cultures I can think off-hand seemed to projected on to humans or demihumans), that's not the sterling defence you think it is. That's actually an unintentional condemnation. [/QUOTE]
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