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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8488750" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Sure, but Hollywood is usually in sync with much of the Coasts, and less than a decade ahead of much of the rest of the country, in my experience in my lifetime anyway. And Little Big Man was 1979, and Dances With Wolves (which was wildly popular throughout the US) was 1990. Little Big Man was an anti-establishment film. Yeah, in 1979, those strongly positive takes on Native American culture together with digs at the US military were a bit daring. Dances With Wolves, on the other hand, was utterly safe and establishment film, totally mainstream, with a huge mainstream audience and made insane money.</p><p></p><p>So things clearly changed from 1979 to 1990. I don't believe that in 1988, it was an unusual view to feel the Native Americans were perhaps hard done by, that calling people "redskins" or mocking Sitting Bull was, like "cool and fun" for the majority of Americans, especially younger Americans, who were the primary audience for D&D products. I'm sure "plenty" of people still thought that, but again, this 1988. Not 1978. You don't go from "The Orcs of Thar was totally normal and cool!" to "Dances With Wolves is incredibly successful, dominates the cultural conversation of the year" in two years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8488750, member: 18"] Sure, but Hollywood is usually in sync with much of the Coasts, and less than a decade ahead of much of the rest of the country, in my experience in my lifetime anyway. And Little Big Man was 1979, and Dances With Wolves (which was wildly popular throughout the US) was 1990. Little Big Man was an anti-establishment film. Yeah, in 1979, those strongly positive takes on Native American culture together with digs at the US military were a bit daring. Dances With Wolves, on the other hand, was utterly safe and establishment film, totally mainstream, with a huge mainstream audience and made insane money. So things clearly changed from 1979 to 1990. I don't believe that in 1988, it was an unusual view to feel the Native Americans were perhaps hard done by, that calling people "redskins" or mocking Sitting Bull was, like "cool and fun" for the majority of Americans, especially younger Americans, who were the primary audience for D&D products. I'm sure "plenty" of people still thought that, but again, this 1988. Not 1978. You don't go from "The Orcs of Thar was totally normal and cool!" to "Dances With Wolves is incredibly successful, dominates the cultural conversation of the year" in two years. [/QUOTE]
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