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<blockquote data-quote="Dungeonosophy" data-source="post: 8488928" data-attributes="member: 6688049"><p>Hi LuisCarlos17f: would you explain to me exactly what "same logic" you're referring to?</p><p></p><p>1) I stated previously that my research is not inherently opposed to using real-world cultures as a basis for D&D/fantasy cultures.</p><p></p><p>2) Yet it does matter whether the real-world culture is a marginalized / indigenous culture (for example, the Romani culture which inspires the Vistani of Ravenloft), or whether it's a nation-state culture which has a relatively dominant presence on the world stage, for example, Spain; or the German + Slavonic motifs seen in Strahd von Zarovich's name. Both sorts of cultures (marginalized and dominant) could be (and are) tapped as inspiration in fantasy works; yet when tapping marginalized / indigenous cultures, special care ought to be taken.</p><p></p><p>3) In the specific example you give, the Spanish conquistadors are portrayed as vampires. The general consensus nowadays is that, overall, the conquistadors were greedy, bloodthirsty, and destructive. And so their portayal as vampires is fitting, meaningful, and poignant. </p><p></p><p>4) In the specific example you give, there are probably no real-world Spanish ethnic slurs printed in the product. That would not be right. In contrast, in GAZ10, there are terms which are very close to racial slurs: "yellow orcs" with "yellow hides," "Oriental goblins" with "yellow skins", and "red orcs" with "red hides."</p><p></p><p>Which of these "logics" are you referring to?</p><p></p><p>Do you dismiss all that I wrote as "political correctness"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dungeonosophy, post: 8488928, member: 6688049"] Hi LuisCarlos17f: would you explain to me exactly what "same logic" you're referring to? 1) I stated previously that my research is not inherently opposed to using real-world cultures as a basis for D&D/fantasy cultures. 2) Yet it does matter whether the real-world culture is a marginalized / indigenous culture (for example, the Romani culture which inspires the Vistani of Ravenloft), or whether it's a nation-state culture which has a relatively dominant presence on the world stage, for example, Spain; or the German + Slavonic motifs seen in Strahd von Zarovich's name. Both sorts of cultures (marginalized and dominant) could be (and are) tapped as inspiration in fantasy works; yet when tapping marginalized / indigenous cultures, special care ought to be taken. 3) In the specific example you give, the Spanish conquistadors are portrayed as vampires. The general consensus nowadays is that, overall, the conquistadors were greedy, bloodthirsty, and destructive. And so their portayal as vampires is fitting, meaningful, and poignant. 4) In the specific example you give, there are probably no real-world Spanish ethnic slurs printed in the product. That would not be right. In contrast, in GAZ10, there are terms which are very close to racial slurs: "yellow orcs" with "yellow hides," "Oriental goblins" with "yellow skins", and "red orcs" with "red hides." Which of these "logics" are you referring to? Do you dismiss all that I wrote as "political correctness"? [/QUOTE]
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