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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8489109" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>One of the main problems with judging the past with our own present day point of view is that this view reflects our own, and not that of that particular period in time. Heck, what we consider quite evidently fine today might be seen as an utter aberration in 30 years!</p><p></p><p>Also, what we often view, as offensive because it might look like a culture we know and relate to might just be a coincidence. Biology and the theory of evolution shown us that to same problems, same solutions will apply. Be it biological problems, or societal problems, the solutions will look a lot like the solution found or used by others.</p><p></p><p>Take the orcs of Thar, yes you can relate them to Native American societies. But at that time, I was more relating them (and the art) as a joke vs to the Warhammer 40k orcs where color was important enough to justify applying it to their vehicles and weapons. We all know that that red vehicles are faster don't we? And a tank should always be painted green or black. </p><p></p><p>Remember that this was made by gamers influenced by other gamers. Yes, some aspect might come from a real society and others from an other and some entirely made up. But is it possible that the main influence was another game? WH 40K was quite popular at the time, and having a poke at it was inevitable. </p><p></p><p>Not that I do not believe your research, far from that. But there are other explanations, if you care enough to look for them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8489109, member: 6855114"] One of the main problems with judging the past with our own present day point of view is that this view reflects our own, and not that of that particular period in time. Heck, what we consider quite evidently fine today might be seen as an utter aberration in 30 years! Also, what we often view, as offensive because it might look like a culture we know and relate to might just be a coincidence. Biology and the theory of evolution shown us that to same problems, same solutions will apply. Be it biological problems, or societal problems, the solutions will look a lot like the solution found or used by others. Take the orcs of Thar, yes you can relate them to Native American societies. But at that time, I was more relating them (and the art) as a joke vs to the Warhammer 40k orcs where color was important enough to justify applying it to their vehicles and weapons. We all know that that red vehicles are faster don't we? And a tank should always be painted green or black. Remember that this was made by gamers influenced by other gamers. Yes, some aspect might come from a real society and others from an other and some entirely made up. But is it possible that the main influence was another game? WH 40K was quite popular at the time, and having a poke at it was inevitable. Not that I do not believe your research, far from that. But there are other explanations, if you care enough to look for them. [/QUOTE]
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