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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8489162" data-attributes="member: 6855114">I was 18 in 1988. But the orks of WH 40k were also in WH and with similar ideas and projection. They were mainly a take on the punk movement of the 70s and 80s. Just the picture of an orc with a boom box rings a stone bell about what they were laughing at. Back in the 80s, when the orcs of Thar got out, we were all laughing about the jokes on the punk movement in that book. And that includes the Montagnais playing with me (an Innu nation in area) because we were more on heavy metal and hard rock. As I said, some references to 1st nations might have been intentional or not. But the take on WH and the punk movement were quite clear to us, gamers of my area. For an outsider to the gamer community, the take on the 1st nation is definitely evident,  especially if you ignore the context of the book and when it was made. Back them we all saw the book as a joke more than an insult. Was it self deception? I do not know, bit we certainly did not saw it the way we do today.</blockquote>