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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8489192" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>This is what is called "Whataboutism". It's a not legitmate or rational form of argument, especially not when applied so broadly. It is a logical fallacy.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Also I would totally unsurprised to see Ottoman slavers as baddies in a film. I think the main reason they haven't been is more chance and the fact that very few films are made about the Mediterranean in the Middle Ages and Renaissance (aside from internal struggles in Italy). I have no idea why you think it wouldn't happen.</p><p></p><p>Also, the you seem to think that invoking "The Black Legend" is a "get out of jail free" card for everything Spain and Portugal did in the New World. It is not. "The White Legend" is what you're pushing, and it's equally nonsensical. There's really no historically accurate take that doesn't make the Spanish look pretty damn bad in Latin America. Just like there's no accurate take that doesn't make all of Europe look ghastly in Africa. And so on. Stop trying to use the fact that Spanish crimes in South America were hyped to pretend there aren't any crimes. I mean, in Soviet Russia, they used to hype American racism for propaganda value. That doesn't mean American racism wasn't real.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8489192, member: 18"] This is what is called "Whataboutism". It's a not legitmate or rational form of argument, especially not when applied so broadly. It is a logical fallacy. [URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism[/URL] Also I would totally unsurprised to see Ottoman slavers as baddies in a film. I think the main reason they haven't been is more chance and the fact that very few films are made about the Mediterranean in the Middle Ages and Renaissance (aside from internal struggles in Italy). I have no idea why you think it wouldn't happen. Also, the you seem to think that invoking "The Black Legend" is a "get out of jail free" card for everything Spain and Portugal did in the New World. It is not. "The White Legend" is what you're pushing, and it's equally nonsensical. There's really no historically accurate take that doesn't make the Spanish look pretty damn bad in Latin America. Just like there's no accurate take that doesn't make all of Europe look ghastly in Africa. And so on. Stop trying to use the fact that Spanish crimes in South America were hyped to pretend there aren't any crimes. I mean, in Soviet Russia, they used to hype American racism for propaganda value. That doesn't mean American racism wasn't real. [/QUOTE]
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