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<blockquote data-quote="LuisCarlos17f" data-source="post: 8489312" data-attributes="member: 6802378"><p>In the eyes of a current-day lawyer, the words of fray Bartolome de las Casas wouldn't be more than a compilation of "urban legends", without data about dates, places, and names of victims or criminals. There were "rotten apples", but that didn't mean it was the normal. If the news tells about a bad action by a Mexican, this doesn't mean all Mexicans to be bad people. </p><p></p><p>There were bad people among the Spanish conquerors, but the Spanish empire wasn't the "evil empire" if we compare with the actions by the rest. Why not to investigate the list of conflicts between the native Northamericans with Spanish and English-speakers? It is not only a offense against the Spanishs from Europe, but all the Hispanoamericans with Spanish ancestors. <span style="font-size: 12px">Even "pureblood" Iberoamericans will start to wonder if the black lenged is to convinced them they had been happier under the control of a no-Spanish power. </span></p><p></p><p>If today we need a consideration about how adding elements from no-Western cultures in a respectful way then we may start to think about a double standard when we talk about others. We should start to deliberate if the current rules of politically corrections really are just and helping for a better coexistence or being like a propaganda weapon. </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Really do you want to preach about me needing self-criticism and humildity, or is it emotional manipulation appealing the shame and the guiling feeling? Napoleon's troops almost destroyed la Alhambra, a Muslim palace in Granada, but he is a hero for the French people. Francis Drake trafficed with slaves, but he is remembered like other hero. Spain defeated Otoman empire in the battle of Lepanto, helping for the end of the Otoman piracy, but we can't produce a movie about that because Turkey can be offended. </span></p><p></p><p>Why not a setting where vampires with French or Brittish accent invade an ersatz of Asian and/or African civiliations? Or a clone of Gengis Khan invading Middle-East lands and destroying mosques. Why a dark lord of Ravenloft can be an ersatz of the cardinal Richeleiu but not of John Calvin, HenryVIII + Elisabeth II of England, Martin Luther or Joseph Smith? </p><p></p><p>* Today evil orcs are imagined like the fantasy equivalent of desert-raiders with heavy-metal look (with a punk touch) from post-apocalypse movies. </p><p></p><p>* If we use creatures and monsters from no-Western folklore, how to avoid the accusation of cultural appropiation? Maybe coworking with a local company. Whasington Irving wrote about the legends of al-Alhambra. Should be he reported for this?</p><p></p><p>* The Iroquois weren't very loved by the rest of neighbours year before the arrival of the white man. Here their possible bad reputation is not our fault.</p><p></p><p>* Today Hasbro is the first one who wants a good relation with the Asian market, avoiding all possible tropes about "Yellow menace", but I am afraid the main Asian powers haven't got a good opinion about other neighbours.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LuisCarlos17f, post: 8489312, member: 6802378"] In the eyes of a current-day lawyer, the words of fray Bartolome de las Casas wouldn't be more than a compilation of "urban legends", without data about dates, places, and names of victims or criminals. There were "rotten apples", but that didn't mean it was the normal. If the news tells about a bad action by a Mexican, this doesn't mean all Mexicans to be bad people. There were bad people among the Spanish conquerors, but the Spanish empire wasn't the "evil empire" if we compare with the actions by the rest. Why not to investigate the list of conflicts between the native Northamericans with Spanish and English-speakers? It is not only a offense against the Spanishs from Europe, but all the Hispanoamericans with Spanish ancestors. [SIZE=3]Even "pureblood" Iberoamericans will start to wonder if the black lenged is to convinced them they had been happier under the control of a no-Spanish power. [/SIZE] If today we need a consideration about how adding elements from no-Western cultures in a respectful way then we may start to think about a double standard when we talk about others. We should start to deliberate if the current rules of politically corrections really are just and helping for a better coexistence or being like a propaganda weapon. [SIZE=3]Really do you want to preach about me needing self-criticism and humildity, or is it emotional manipulation appealing the shame and the guiling feeling? Napoleon's troops almost destroyed la Alhambra, a Muslim palace in Granada, but he is a hero for the French people. Francis Drake trafficed with slaves, but he is remembered like other hero. Spain defeated Otoman empire in the battle of Lepanto, helping for the end of the Otoman piracy, but we can't produce a movie about that because Turkey can be offended. [/SIZE] Why not a setting where vampires with French or Brittish accent invade an ersatz of Asian and/or African civiliations? Or a clone of Gengis Khan invading Middle-East lands and destroying mosques. Why a dark lord of Ravenloft can be an ersatz of the cardinal Richeleiu but not of John Calvin, HenryVIII + Elisabeth II of England, Martin Luther or Joseph Smith? * Today evil orcs are imagined like the fantasy equivalent of desert-raiders with heavy-metal look (with a punk touch) from post-apocalypse movies. * If we use creatures and monsters from no-Western folklore, how to avoid the accusation of cultural appropiation? Maybe coworking with a local company. Whasington Irving wrote about the legends of al-Alhambra. Should be he reported for this? * The Iroquois weren't very loved by the rest of neighbours year before the arrival of the white man. Here their possible bad reputation is not our fault. * Today Hasbro is the first one who wants a good relation with the Asian market, avoiding all possible tropes about "Yellow menace", but I am afraid the main Asian powers haven't got a good opinion about other neighbours. [/QUOTE]
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