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<blockquote data-quote="Dungeonosophy" data-source="post: 8490045" data-attributes="member: 6688049"><p>Hi Mirtek, I suggested that Wizards tap a small team of professional/expert cultural consultants to comb through (=read through) GAZ10, and write a report of their findings of "ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice", and present those findings as an amendatory article on DRAGON+. And then to continue this process with other legacy titles. Wizards already has a network of such cultural consultants.</p><p></p><p>I've never said anything about "redoing" (=rewriting) the product. Zardnaar falsely "recapped" the amends process which I presented, and then called this strawman (which he himself invented) "cultural vandalism." See his words:</p><p></p><p>(<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/red-orc-american-indians-and-yellow-orc-mongolians-in-d-d.684780/post-8489602" target="_blank">Post #222</a>):</p><p></p><p><em>"Dear WotC please hire a team to comb though every product ever and <strong>redo it</strong>".</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>Not sure if you're aware of how much work that [redoing/rewriting] actually entails</strong>.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>They produce what 5 books a year?</strong> At its height TSR was cranking out 60 iirc.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>Movie studios with vastly more amounts of money don't do that [=redo/re-write a work]</strong> and<strong> it's cultural vandalism</strong> as well."</em></p><p></p><p>***</p><p>And after I specifically called on Zardnaar to stop misrpresentating what I presented, he continued on, in three later posts:</p><p></p><p>(<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/red-orc-american-indians-and-yellow-orc-mongolians-in-d-d.684780/post-8490020" target="_blank">Post #278</a>):</p><p><em>"<strong>Redoing old legacy products</strong> is attempting to do exactly that.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>There's a lot of cringey products from the 80's. It's not really viable <strong>to redo them</strong>."</em></p><p></p><p>***</p><p>(<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/red-orc-american-indians-and-yellow-orc-mongolians-in-d-d.684780/post-8490022" target="_blank">Post #279</a>):</p><p></p><p><em>"They're not gonna spend much time and effort <strong>redoing</strong> old obscure material from the 80's that probably doesn't sell that well anyway. [...]</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>People aren't going to redo </strong>it because it's a reflection of when it was created."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>***</em></p><p>(<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/red-orc-american-indians-and-yellow-orc-mongolians-in-d-d.684780/post-8490030" target="_blank">Post #282</a>):</p><p></p><p><em>"They [=Dungeonosophy] suggested they should bring in a team <strong>and redo the product removing problematic parts</strong>[.]"</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>***</em></p><p>That's a lie.</p><p></p><p>I repeat: Zardnaar, please stop falsely stating that I've suggested that GAZ10 or any legacy product be "redone / rewritten" or that I've ever suggested that legacy products be "expurgated."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dungeonosophy, post: 8490045, member: 6688049"] Hi Mirtek, I suggested that Wizards tap a small team of professional/expert cultural consultants to comb through (=read through) GAZ10, and write a report of their findings of "ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice", and present those findings as an amendatory article on DRAGON+. And then to continue this process with other legacy titles. Wizards already has a network of such cultural consultants. I've never said anything about "redoing" (=rewriting) the product. Zardnaar falsely "recapped" the amends process which I presented, and then called this strawman (which he himself invented) "cultural vandalism." See his words: ([URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/red-orc-american-indians-and-yellow-orc-mongolians-in-d-d.684780/post-8489602']Post #222[/URL]): [I]"Dear WotC please hire a team to comb though every product ever and [B]redo it[/B]". [B]Not sure if you're aware of how much work that [redoing/rewriting] actually entails[/B]. [B]They produce what 5 books a year?[/B] At its height TSR was cranking out 60 iirc. [B]Movie studios with vastly more amounts of money don't do that [=redo/re-write a work][/B] and[B] it's cultural vandalism[/B] as well."[/I] *** And after I specifically called on Zardnaar to stop misrpresentating what I presented, he continued on, in three later posts: ([URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/red-orc-american-indians-and-yellow-orc-mongolians-in-d-d.684780/post-8490020']Post #278[/URL]): [I]"[B]Redoing old legacy products[/B] is attempting to do exactly that. There's a lot of cringey products from the 80's. It's not really viable [B]to redo them[/B]."[/I] *** ([URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/red-orc-american-indians-and-yellow-orc-mongolians-in-d-d.684780/post-8490022']Post #279[/URL]): [I]"They're not gonna spend much time and effort [B]redoing[/B] old obscure material from the 80's that probably doesn't sell that well anyway. [...] [B]People aren't going to redo [/B]it because it's a reflection of when it was created." ***[/I] ([URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/red-orc-american-indians-and-yellow-orc-mongolians-in-d-d.684780/post-8490030']Post #282[/URL]): [I]"They [=Dungeonosophy] suggested they should bring in a team [B]and redo the product removing problematic parts[/B][.]" ***[/I] That's a lie. I repeat: Zardnaar, please stop falsely stating that I've suggested that GAZ10 or any legacy product be "redone / rewritten" or that I've ever suggested that legacy products be "expurgated." [/QUOTE]
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