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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8490436" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>Oh, of course. I posted in this thread not that far back that I think that all empires are evil, including the Roman Empire. They did truly awful things. From the pedophilia, to taking advantage of the peoples they conquered (like all empires do), to classism, and crazy, power-hungry, narcissistic emperors (a bunch of them literally proclaimed themselves to be gods). </p><p></p><p>Using some of the more familiar parts of the Roman society (it being an empire/republic, their armor and weapon style and common colors, etc) in a setting can be a touchy subject, but not because they were marginalized, but for the exact opposite option. Idolizing them is the issue, because of all of the awful things they did. When they're painted as the good guys, that's when it can get problematic. </p><p></p><p>I'm not really aware of any examples from modern fiction that paints them as being the "super-awesome, cool, good guys", though. Care to share any examples? Because the main one that I'm familiar with is the Tamrielic Empire from The Elder Scrolls, and they portray them fairly accurately as being a not great group, from the racism to the court politics that nearly destroys it on several occasions, to the narcissistic Emperor that founded the Empire, was worshipped as a god, and is explicitly a bad dude (even if a bunch of people in-world love him, it's pretty clear that Talos/Ysmir was a pretty bad guy).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8490436, member: 7023887"] Oh, of course. I posted in this thread not that far back that I think that all empires are evil, including the Roman Empire. They did truly awful things. From the pedophilia, to taking advantage of the peoples they conquered (like all empires do), to classism, and crazy, power-hungry, narcissistic emperors (a bunch of them literally proclaimed themselves to be gods). Using some of the more familiar parts of the Roman society (it being an empire/republic, their armor and weapon style and common colors, etc) in a setting can be a touchy subject, but not because they were marginalized, but for the exact opposite option. Idolizing them is the issue, because of all of the awful things they did. When they're painted as the good guys, that's when it can get problematic. I'm not really aware of any examples from modern fiction that paints them as being the "super-awesome, cool, good guys", though. Care to share any examples? Because the main one that I'm familiar with is the Tamrielic Empire from The Elder Scrolls, and they portray them fairly accurately as being a not great group, from the racism to the court politics that nearly destroys it on several occasions, to the narcissistic Emperor that founded the Empire, was worshipped as a god, and is explicitly a bad dude (even if a bunch of people in-world love him, it's pretty clear that Talos/Ysmir was a pretty bad guy). [/QUOTE]
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