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<blockquote data-quote="Dungeonosophy" data-source="post: 8490478" data-attributes="member: 6688049"><p>Glen, the real-world author and publisher of GAZ10 "understood the reasoning and methodology of the human cultures." You realize that orcs are fictional, right? It doesn't make sense to be like: <em>"but...but...the orcs don't understand Atruaghin culture, so they call themselves "red orcs." And the yellow orcs and Oriental yellow-skinned goblins don't understand Ethengarian culture. And it's the yellow orcs who have "ugly pekingese faces", not the Ethengarian humans."</em></p><p></p><p>Glen, a team of real human beings, sitting at desks in Wisconsin, wrote those slurs.</p><p></p><p>Again, let's take the n-word as another example of a racial epithet (like "yellow men" and "redskin"). Imagine another Wizards product was published in the 1980s (and is still for sale as a PDF), which repeatedly used a variant of the n-word, say, the "Nigoro Orcs," also known as the "Black Orcs." The book refers to their "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass" target="_blank">Chief Frederick Droolass</a>." And the book talks about how the Nigoro / Black Orcs love chicken, chittlins and watermelon. And two of their big chiefs were Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima.</p><p></p><p>Don't you see? We'd have a problem.</p><p></p><p>Glen, I love Bruce Heard as a person, yet I'm sorry to say that he and his team really flubbed up. I know they were trying to write a super zany "Garbage Pail Kids"-style book. And it was innovative to provide rules for playing humanoids as PCs; GAZ10 was truly a predecessor of 2E's <em>Complete Book of Humanoids</em>, and 3E's <em>Savage Species</em>. And though some of the book is funny (in a very goofy sort of way), certain elements are wrong. The racial slurs, and the buffoonish mischaracterizations which are tied to those slurs, are wrong.</p><p></p><p>Tapping real-world racial epithets is wrong. It's not a joke. And any adaptation of marginalized / indigenous cultures is necessarily warped if it's presented in the context of those slurs.</p><p></p><p>I'm talking about real world racial slurs. Those "red" and "yellow" slurs are just as serious as the n-word.</p><p></p><p>I invite the participants in this thread to watch a short film which is produced by the National Congress of American Indians, the representative body of the 633 U.S. Indian Nations:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/mR-tbOxlhvE" target="_blank"><strong><span style="font-size: 26px">Proud to Be (Mascots)</span></strong></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dungeonosophy, post: 8490478, member: 6688049"] Glen, the real-world author and publisher of GAZ10 "understood the reasoning and methodology of the human cultures." You realize that orcs are fictional, right? It doesn't make sense to be like: [I]"but...but...the orcs don't understand Atruaghin culture, so they call themselves "red orcs." And the yellow orcs and Oriental yellow-skinned goblins don't understand Ethengarian culture. And it's the yellow orcs who have "ugly pekingese faces", not the Ethengarian humans."[/I] Glen, a team of real human beings, sitting at desks in Wisconsin, wrote those slurs. Again, let's take the n-word as another example of a racial epithet (like "yellow men" and "redskin"). Imagine another Wizards product was published in the 1980s (and is still for sale as a PDF), which repeatedly used a variant of the n-word, say, the "Nigoro Orcs," also known as the "Black Orcs." The book refers to their "[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass']Chief Frederick Droolass[/URL]." And the book talks about how the Nigoro / Black Orcs love chicken, chittlins and watermelon. And two of their big chiefs were Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima. Don't you see? We'd have a problem. Glen, I love Bruce Heard as a person, yet I'm sorry to say that he and his team really flubbed up. I know they were trying to write a super zany "Garbage Pail Kids"-style book. And it was innovative to provide rules for playing humanoids as PCs; GAZ10 was truly a predecessor of 2E's [I]Complete Book of Humanoids[/I], and 3E's [I]Savage Species[/I]. And though some of the book is funny (in a very goofy sort of way), certain elements are wrong. The racial slurs, and the buffoonish mischaracterizations which are tied to those slurs, are wrong. Tapping real-world racial epithets is wrong. It's not a joke. And any adaptation of marginalized / indigenous cultures is necessarily warped if it's presented in the context of those slurs. I'm talking about real world racial slurs. Those "red" and "yellow" slurs are just as serious as the n-word. I invite the participants in this thread to watch a short film which is produced by the National Congress of American Indians, the representative body of the 633 U.S. Indian Nations: [URL='https://youtu.be/mR-tbOxlhvE'][B][SIZE=7]Proud to Be (Mascots)[/SIZE][/B][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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