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"Red Orc" American Indians and "Yellow Orc" Mongolians in D&D
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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8490601" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>Real world politic is booooring. Fantasy politics on the other hand...</p><p></p><p>Re read the Orcs of Thar to see the OP points. From a modern point of view, he is 100% right. From an 80s point of view, it is highly debatable that it was solely depictions of or real world ethnicities.</p><p></p><p>Taken separately, these points seems quite clear. When you take the whole into account, not so. It is clearly stated that the orcs try to emulate their most successful and nobler foes, but failing to succeed in that respect. If the red orcs are trying to emulate the nobler and more successful humans it does mean that the author were respecting the nation the orcs were trying to emulate...</p><p></p><p>The orcs here are a parody and has always been. But it is clear that they fail to emulate more nobler and successful nations. But it can lead to confusion and that is understandable. </p><p></p><p>Maybe such line put the product in a better light, maybe not. For me, that book never was such a good one as one paragraph does not justify the amount of parodies we can see and that paragraph can easily be passed over or forgotten. A clear warning is/would've been much better in that case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8490601, member: 6855114"] Real world politic is booooring. Fantasy politics on the other hand... Re read the Orcs of Thar to see the OP points. From a modern point of view, he is 100% right. From an 80s point of view, it is highly debatable that it was solely depictions of or real world ethnicities. Taken separately, these points seems quite clear. When you take the whole into account, not so. It is clearly stated that the orcs try to emulate their most successful and nobler foes, but failing to succeed in that respect. If the red orcs are trying to emulate the nobler and more successful humans it does mean that the author were respecting the nation the orcs were trying to emulate... The orcs here are a parody and has always been. But it is clear that they fail to emulate more nobler and successful nations. But it can lead to confusion and that is understandable. Maybe such line put the product in a better light, maybe not. For me, that book never was such a good one as one paragraph does not justify the amount of parodies we can see and that paragraph can easily be passed over or forgotten. A clear warning is/would've been much better in that case. [/QUOTE]
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