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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8490634" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>THEY DO WHAT?!?!?!</p><p></p><p>In Germany?!?! But you guys kicked their ass in the end!</p><p></p><p>Wow.</p><p></p><p>I would never have expected that. Where's Arminius when you need him? Teutoburg Forest is so famous I didn't even have to think what his name was. It was the highlight, <em>the absolute highlight</em> of when I did Ancient History at GCSE, <em>finally</em> these cocky Romans got their arses handed to them on a platter. It was even better than Boudicca in some ways, because of the whole vanishing in the forest deal - "Quintili Vare, legiones redde!", and because there wasn't a horrible massacre of the rebels in the end.</p><p></p><p>And the Romans were absolutely horrible to the Germanic peoples, like vile. Worse than to the British, and they weren't great here (they were also pretty awful to the Gauls - the Hardcore History guy has a genuinely great podcast on it rather provocatively titled "<a href="https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-60-the-celtic-holocaust/" target="_blank">The Celtic Holocaust</a>"). When loads of refugees came needing help, the Romans basically rounded them up and slaughtered them later on. Of course that helped lead to the fall of Rome.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I'm actually genuinely IRL shocked to hear that. And sorry too, I'm with you on being disappointed in your countrymen.</p><p></p><p>We have the same issue in the UK to some extent, relentless pro-Roman propaganda, which was really not because the Romans did anything great for Britain (they didn't, or nothing that lasted past the Saxons), but because the British Empire idolized and aped the Romans so hard (using them as a model and an excuse), that they basically built propaganda into our educational system for centuries and we're still not fully rid of it. Luckily we have Boudicca and thus there's at least some mixed feelings about it.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, you have my sympathies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8490634, member: 18"] THEY DO WHAT?!?!?! In Germany?!?! But you guys kicked their ass in the end! Wow. I would never have expected that. Where's Arminius when you need him? Teutoburg Forest is so famous I didn't even have to think what his name was. It was the highlight, [I]the absolute highlight[/I] of when I did Ancient History at GCSE, [I]finally[/I] these cocky Romans got their arses handed to them on a platter. It was even better than Boudicca in some ways, because of the whole vanishing in the forest deal - "Quintili Vare, legiones redde!", and because there wasn't a horrible massacre of the rebels in the end. And the Romans were absolutely horrible to the Germanic peoples, like vile. Worse than to the British, and they weren't great here (they were also pretty awful to the Gauls - the Hardcore History guy has a genuinely great podcast on it rather provocatively titled "[URL='https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-60-the-celtic-holocaust/']The Celtic Holocaust[/URL]"). When loads of refugees came needing help, the Romans basically rounded them up and slaughtered them later on. Of course that helped lead to the fall of Rome. Anyway, I'm actually genuinely IRL shocked to hear that. And sorry too, I'm with you on being disappointed in your countrymen. We have the same issue in the UK to some extent, relentless pro-Roman propaganda, which was really not because the Romans did anything great for Britain (they didn't, or nothing that lasted past the Saxons), but because the British Empire idolized and aped the Romans so hard (using them as a model and an excuse), that they basically built propaganda into our educational system for centuries and we're still not fully rid of it. Luckily we have Boudicca and thus there's at least some mixed feelings about it. Anyway, you have my sympathies. [/QUOTE]
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