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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8490881" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I wouldn't agree that was true quite "since their introduction", but rather it's something that rapidly developed as they actually tried (ineptly) to give them a saner and more personable backstory. Initially they were something else, with the only really arguable thing being having a larger nose and being greedy, otherwise they were sort of barbarian-y - I know that despite seeing loads of anti-Semitic propaganda at school (we were studying WW2 and The Merchant of Venice at the time), I didn't make the connection until later on. They were sort of weird greedy slaving barbarians initially. As they became more cultured and money-oriented it become more obvious (I remember finding it a little concerning part-way through DS9), though at the same time their portrayal continually softened and angled more positive.</p><p></p><p>Also reminds me The Magnificent Ferengi is one of the best and just least-expected episodes of Star Trek in existence. A friend reminded me of, I'd forgotten, and I literally thought he was making it up. How would Star Trek have a "Weekend at Bernies" episode? And yet it did. Plus Iggy Pop!</p><p></p><p>It's also kind of a weird situation because the Bajorans were also presented with coded Semitic (rather than purely anti-Semitic) tropes, specifically with quite an Israeli vibe at times, and yet were clearly positive. And they were both heavily on the same show. Also arguably the Betazoids are presented with coded Semitic tropes at times.</p><p></p><p>There's a lot going on there, probably a thesis or three in there somewhere.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8490881, member: 18"] I wouldn't agree that was true quite "since their introduction", but rather it's something that rapidly developed as they actually tried (ineptly) to give them a saner and more personable backstory. Initially they were something else, with the only really arguable thing being having a larger nose and being greedy, otherwise they were sort of barbarian-y - I know that despite seeing loads of anti-Semitic propaganda at school (we were studying WW2 and The Merchant of Venice at the time), I didn't make the connection until later on. They were sort of weird greedy slaving barbarians initially. As they became more cultured and money-oriented it become more obvious (I remember finding it a little concerning part-way through DS9), though at the same time their portrayal continually softened and angled more positive. Also reminds me The Magnificent Ferengi is one of the best and just least-expected episodes of Star Trek in existence. A friend reminded me of, I'd forgotten, and I literally thought he was making it up. How would Star Trek have a "Weekend at Bernies" episode? And yet it did. Plus Iggy Pop! It's also kind of a weird situation because the Bajorans were also presented with coded Semitic (rather than purely anti-Semitic) tropes, specifically with quite an Israeli vibe at times, and yet were clearly positive. And they were both heavily on the same show. Also arguably the Betazoids are presented with coded Semitic tropes at times. There's a lot going on there, probably a thesis or three in there somewhere. [/QUOTE]
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