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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8491347" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>And again, I am telling you that though it is your right to do so, you are putting a first degree to something that is at best second degree. </p><p></p><p>Does it make the sting less damaging? Not really simply because the writers were careless enough to allow their work to be read in such a way. But does it make a work that is on equal footing with racist literature? I have my doubts and so are many readers. The distasteful references are there but they are nuanced as second and third degree meanings. A much clearer warning should have been sticked to the work but this was the 80s, no one, unless directly concerned would ever have thought of that. Yes some circles might have had more awareness of the stakes, but such was not the ways in the 80s. Context is very important to be able to judge anything from an other era. Intentions and actions can sometimes be taken out of their context and make to mean entirely different things. We see this often enough with people being cited out of context to put them in a bad light that I always try to get a bugger picture before judging on a few citations because out of context, they can mean the reverse of what was the initial intention. </p><p></p><p>Again, I do not like that Gaz, it was poorly done and executed and it's short comings are quite evident, but are they as bad as you claim them to be in light of them being 2nd and 3rd degree interpretations that have been taken at 1st degree ones? I do not think so. That s why I tell you that your interpretation is debatable. </p><p></p><p>The work does not intend to be racist but can be interpreted in such a way because it was simply badly written.</p><p>Edit: I just read you post about the author. Seems we agree on that one. I bow to your wisdom on that one then.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8491347, member: 6855114"] And again, I am telling you that though it is your right to do so, you are putting a first degree to something that is at best second degree. Does it make the sting less damaging? Not really simply because the writers were careless enough to allow their work to be read in such a way. But does it make a work that is on equal footing with racist literature? I have my doubts and so are many readers. The distasteful references are there but they are nuanced as second and third degree meanings. A much clearer warning should have been sticked to the work but this was the 80s, no one, unless directly concerned would ever have thought of that. Yes some circles might have had more awareness of the stakes, but such was not the ways in the 80s. Context is very important to be able to judge anything from an other era. Intentions and actions can sometimes be taken out of their context and make to mean entirely different things. We see this often enough with people being cited out of context to put them in a bad light that I always try to get a bugger picture before judging on a few citations because out of context, they can mean the reverse of what was the initial intention. Again, I do not like that Gaz, it was poorly done and executed and it's short comings are quite evident, but are they as bad as you claim them to be in light of them being 2nd and 3rd degree interpretations that have been taken at 1st degree ones? I do not think so. That s why I tell you that your interpretation is debatable. The work does not intend to be racist but can be interpreted in such a way because it was simply badly written. Edit: I just read you post about the author. Seems we agree on that one. I bow to your wisdom on that one then. [/QUOTE]
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