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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8491720" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>No, not a corporate seer. But I'm pretty sure that WotC doesn't own a time machine where they can go back to change what was written.</p><p></p><p>My Dad's a writer. He's written all sorts of stuff, but he mostly writes comics. Since he started writing in the late 60s (and still writing today!), he's probably written <em>something </em>that is questionable by today's standards. But he can't actually <em>do </em>anything about it. He can only change what he's currently writing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Reality doesn't have to be interesting to you. </p><p></p><p>But now <em>I </em>have to wonder why you are so "hellbent" about things being not boring. Why do you need this to be entertaining? Didn't someone else say that it looked like you wanted WotC to grovel for forgiveness. Were they right?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I literally have no idea, have never read any of his books or, for that matter, any D&D novels outside of 2-3 Ravenloft novels, nor do I know anything about him as a person. Maybe Salvatore has been thinking about this for a long time and waiting for an opportunity to correct it. Maybe the idea never occurred to him until he was approached to write a new book and he suddenly realized "hey, this isn't cool." Maybe it was something else.</p><p></p><p>However, I'd like to point out that this article is half-apology, half-advertisement for an upcoming novel (which I assume has been published by this point?). I'm not saying that he's trying to win points with the audience so they will buy the new book. I <em>am </em>saying that the changes being made are being made because, as the article says, they are expanding the franchise into new territories. And they're doing this by introducing new drow cultures and saying only one of them was corrupted into demon-worshiping evil.</p><p></p><p>There is absolutely nothing being done with Gaz10 or, in fact, most of the legacy content that TSR and WotC have produced. There is <em>nothing to expand. </em>If they put out Mystara 5e, they're not going to be rewriting The Orcs of Thar so it's less problematic. I haven't read Gaz10, or if I did, it was so long ago I've forgotten in, but it doesn't look like there's anything in it that can be salvaged in the way that the drow have been salvaged. So for this hypothetical Mystara 5e, they're going to be tossing Gaz10 into the trash and starting fresh.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sins of the (adoptive) father, eh?</p><p></p><p></p><p>And what, exactly, would this Dragon+ article <em>accomplish </em>by doing this? The old material would still be there in all its terribleness. It would just be highlighted now, so that all the world could see that ages ago, some writers wrote some bad stuff.</p><p></p><p>Earlier, you wrote "The designer amends interviews aren't there to ruffle even more feathers and open more wounds. They're there for authentic healing and teaching". Since you apparently don't believe that any of these writers are capable or willing to apologize on their own (or you wouldn't talk about being tapped for an article, getting publicity from it, and being paid as well), you don't <em>want</em> healing. You want the company to be held up as an example, or possibly as a warning to others.</p><p></p><p>Your Dragon+ idea is text equivalent of putting people in stocks for public ridicule--but not even always for their own crimes. Didn't someone else say that it looked like you just wanted WotC to grovel for forgiveness. I'm thinking they might be write. Because your idea is great if you want things to not be <em>boring. </em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8491720, member: 6915329"] No, not a corporate seer. But I'm pretty sure that WotC doesn't own a time machine where they can go back to change what was written. My Dad's a writer. He's written all sorts of stuff, but he mostly writes comics. Since he started writing in the late 60s (and still writing today!), he's probably written [I]something [/I]that is questionable by today's standards. But he can't actually [I]do [/I]anything about it. He can only change what he's currently writing. Reality doesn't have to be interesting to you. But now [I]I [/I]have to wonder why you are so "hellbent" about things being not boring. Why do you need this to be entertaining? Didn't someone else say that it looked like you wanted WotC to grovel for forgiveness. Were they right? I literally have no idea, have never read any of his books or, for that matter, any D&D novels outside of 2-3 Ravenloft novels, nor do I know anything about him as a person. Maybe Salvatore has been thinking about this for a long time and waiting for an opportunity to correct it. Maybe the idea never occurred to him until he was approached to write a new book and he suddenly realized "hey, this isn't cool." Maybe it was something else. However, I'd like to point out that this article is half-apology, half-advertisement for an upcoming novel (which I assume has been published by this point?). I'm not saying that he's trying to win points with the audience so they will buy the new book. I [I]am [/I]saying that the changes being made are being made because, as the article says, they are expanding the franchise into new territories. And they're doing this by introducing new drow cultures and saying only one of them was corrupted into demon-worshiping evil. There is absolutely nothing being done with Gaz10 or, in fact, most of the legacy content that TSR and WotC have produced. There is [I]nothing to expand. [/I]If they put out Mystara 5e, they're not going to be rewriting The Orcs of Thar so it's less problematic. I haven't read Gaz10, or if I did, it was so long ago I've forgotten in, but it doesn't look like there's anything in it that can be salvaged in the way that the drow have been salvaged. So for this hypothetical Mystara 5e, they're going to be tossing Gaz10 into the trash and starting fresh. Sins of the (adoptive) father, eh? And what, exactly, would this Dragon+ article [I]accomplish [/I]by doing this? The old material would still be there in all its terribleness. It would just be highlighted now, so that all the world could see that ages ago, some writers wrote some bad stuff. Earlier, you wrote "The designer amends interviews aren't there to ruffle even more feathers and open more wounds. They're there for authentic healing and teaching". Since you apparently don't believe that any of these writers are capable or willing to apologize on their own (or you wouldn't talk about being tapped for an article, getting publicity from it, and being paid as well), you don't [I]want[/I] healing. You want the company to be held up as an example, or possibly as a warning to others. Your Dragon+ idea is text equivalent of putting people in stocks for public ridicule--but not even always for their own crimes. Didn't someone else say that it looked like you just wanted WotC to grovel for forgiveness. I'm thinking they might be write. Because your idea is great if you want things to not be [I]boring. [/I] [/QUOTE]
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