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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8493176" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Yeah and it speaks volumes that that's the exception, not the rule, even though, historically, that's basically how pre-Christian Vikings were written about until like, what, the 1800s, in the UK (when people started picking up on them being white and decided to romanticize the hell out of them), and that Britain was absolute traaaaaaaaaaaaaaashed by the Vikings. Repeatedly. And even the Warhammer vikings are portrayed as incredibly powerful/unstoppable, and further, almost every in-depth portrayal on them goes large on "NOT ALL NORSCANS!!!!", to be sure we don't think it's born-in.</p><p></p><p>The Rome-Aztec comparison is I think also useful. Both Roman and the Aztecs were massive, powerful empires with bigass legions which dominated, destroyed (physically or culturall) and bullied other cultures, but had remarkable achievements as well. Both killed insane numbers of people for insane reasons on the regular. The Romans, however, got us to all read their history, and understand their insane reasons, and our own culture attempted to convince us that all the bad things they did either weren't bad, actually (lol), or were tiny in comparison to the good. But with the Aztecs, there were the "other", and their culture was destroyed (intentionally), rather than taught to most schoolkids for centuries, so they just seem like terrifying weirdoes. I'm not saying either was good - both cultures, even when you understand them, were pretty psycho, but if you understand one and not the other...</p><p></p><p></p><p>ROFL Jesus wept. Nothing in your post addresses anything I said. There's a big difference between Germans/German-Americans urging people to wear lederhosen and join in Oktoberfest, and some out-of-touch champagne-drinkers running a museum thinking "Let's let people wear kimonos! So exotic!". It's trivial to see. If Japanese-Americans were regularly running some kind of festival in which they encouraged everyone to take part and dress in some item of traditional Japanese attire, this wouldn't be an issue. But that's not what's happening at all. Your comparison isn't even "Apples and oranges", it's like "Apples and a spanner". That you can't see that doesn't reflect on the reality of the situation, but your analysis of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8493176, member: 18"] Yeah and it speaks volumes that that's the exception, not the rule, even though, historically, that's basically how pre-Christian Vikings were written about until like, what, the 1800s, in the UK (when people started picking up on them being white and decided to romanticize the hell out of them), and that Britain was absolute traaaaaaaaaaaaaaashed by the Vikings. Repeatedly. And even the Warhammer vikings are portrayed as incredibly powerful/unstoppable, and further, almost every in-depth portrayal on them goes large on "NOT ALL NORSCANS!!!!", to be sure we don't think it's born-in. The Rome-Aztec comparison is I think also useful. Both Roman and the Aztecs were massive, powerful empires with bigass legions which dominated, destroyed (physically or culturall) and bullied other cultures, but had remarkable achievements as well. Both killed insane numbers of people for insane reasons on the regular. The Romans, however, got us to all read their history, and understand their insane reasons, and our own culture attempted to convince us that all the bad things they did either weren't bad, actually (lol), or were tiny in comparison to the good. But with the Aztecs, there were the "other", and their culture was destroyed (intentionally), rather than taught to most schoolkids for centuries, so they just seem like terrifying weirdoes. I'm not saying either was good - both cultures, even when you understand them, were pretty psycho, but if you understand one and not the other... ROFL Jesus wept. Nothing in your post addresses anything I said. There's a big difference between Germans/German-Americans urging people to wear lederhosen and join in Oktoberfest, and some out-of-touch champagne-drinkers running a museum thinking "Let's let people wear kimonos! So exotic!". It's trivial to see. If Japanese-Americans were regularly running some kind of festival in which they encouraged everyone to take part and dress in some item of traditional Japanese attire, this wouldn't be an issue. But that's not what's happening at all. Your comparison isn't even "Apples and oranges", it's like "Apples and a spanner". That you can't see that doesn't reflect on the reality of the situation, but your analysis of it. [/QUOTE]
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