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<blockquote data-quote="Mordhau" data-source="post: 8495315" data-attributes="member: 7032137"><p>You can tell how important Nobility is in Arthurian tales by the tale of Gareth the 'knight of the kitchen', and of Perceval. The former disguises himself as a kitchen boy, but stands out by his basic nobility, the latter is raised wild in the forest but also turns out to be noble. Basically, apprently ordinary people in the the Arthurian tales can be recognised and raised up so long as it turns out they weren't ordinary at all!</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]95N85bGdzw4:87[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>(In the Knight's Tale, the noble lineage is a clear fiction, but it's still a necessary one.)</p><p></p><p>You're actually better looking at actual history then the Arthurian myths. The myths present chivalric ideals of nobility while reality is messier. It wasn't actively impossible to climb social ranks in medieval history, although usually that tooks several generations, the amassing of a lot of wealth and the right marriages.</p><p></p><p>The best way to get yourself knighted or secure a noble marriage was probably to be a rich merchant at a time when the king or major nobles needed loans to fight wars, especially if you also had political influence over other nobles.</p><p></p><p>Richard II knighted a bunch of rich and influential London merchants after the Peasants' Revolt in gratitude for their role in helping to put it down, but while technically they were commoners, they were important, wealthy and influential people - not vagabonds with swords.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mordhau, post: 8495315, member: 7032137"] You can tell how important Nobility is in Arthurian tales by the tale of Gareth the 'knight of the kitchen', and of Perceval. The former disguises himself as a kitchen boy, but stands out by his basic nobility, the latter is raised wild in the forest but also turns out to be noble. Basically, apprently ordinary people in the the Arthurian tales can be recognised and raised up so long as it turns out they weren't ordinary at all! [MEDIA=youtube]95N85bGdzw4:87[/MEDIA] (In the Knight's Tale, the noble lineage is a clear fiction, but it's still a necessary one.) You're actually better looking at actual history then the Arthurian myths. The myths present chivalric ideals of nobility while reality is messier. It wasn't actively impossible to climb social ranks in medieval history, although usually that tooks several generations, the amassing of a lot of wealth and the right marriages. The best way to get yourself knighted or secure a noble marriage was probably to be a rich merchant at a time when the king or major nobles needed loans to fight wars, especially if you also had political influence over other nobles. Richard II knighted a bunch of rich and influential London merchants after the Peasants' Revolt in gratitude for their role in helping to put it down, but while technically they were commoners, they were important, wealthy and influential people - not vagabonds with swords. [/QUOTE]
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