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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8496610" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>Not the biggest western fan so take my view here with a grain of salt. On the Looney Toons stuff, I think the key part is those were reruns from a much earlier era (unless they were making new ones that did that during that time). I think the posters point though was just that there was a big difference between growing up on say 1950s cowboy shows and movies and growing up in the 80s. Like I said I wasn't a fan, but anyone my parents age or grandparents age was into those old westerns and they were on in the house. And just going from that, I do remember the native americans just kind of being there as a stalk enemy. At the same time, you did have stuff like the Lone Ranger where his side kick was Tonto (didn't watch the show, and I am sure it would be a portrayal criticized by today's standards, but the point is he was one of the good guys and not fodder). But more sympathetic portrayals did seem to be more the norm for when I was growing up (I was born in the 70s as well). </p><p></p><p>That said I think people should always go back and see these things for themselves. A lot of times when you go back and watch older movies and shows, you do realize there is more there than we often remember, and sometimes a lot more nuance. A lot of times things get summed up for us in pop culture, and that summary isn't necessarily the take away you would have if you went and saw it for yourself. I have had this experience when I have gone back and watched classic movies</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8496610, member: 85555"] Not the biggest western fan so take my view here with a grain of salt. On the Looney Toons stuff, I think the key part is those were reruns from a much earlier era (unless they were making new ones that did that during that time). I think the posters point though was just that there was a big difference between growing up on say 1950s cowboy shows and movies and growing up in the 80s. Like I said I wasn't a fan, but anyone my parents age or grandparents age was into those old westerns and they were on in the house. And just going from that, I do remember the native americans just kind of being there as a stalk enemy. At the same time, you did have stuff like the Lone Ranger where his side kick was Tonto (didn't watch the show, and I am sure it would be a portrayal criticized by today's standards, but the point is he was one of the good guys and not fodder). But more sympathetic portrayals did seem to be more the norm for when I was growing up (I was born in the 70s as well). That said I think people should always go back and see these things for themselves. A lot of times when you go back and watch older movies and shows, you do realize there is more there than we often remember, and sometimes a lot more nuance. A lot of times things get summed up for us in pop culture, and that summary isn't necessarily the take away you would have if you went and saw it for yourself. I have had this experience when I have gone back and watched classic movies [/QUOTE]
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