Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
"Red Orc" American Indians and "Yellow Orc" Mongolians in D&D
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8496987" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>But there is probably somewhat of a rationale for this. One, MMOs are huge, they are in no way threatened by D&D. But D&D, at one time, felt very under threat from both MMOs and magic cards. I remember how we were hemorrhaging players when both the MMOs and magic cards started taking off. So I think there is a reason this wouldn't swing both ways as much in terms of what it means to compare them. Also D&D is emulating stuff like fantasy literature and comes out of war-games. Whereas MMOs are, to an extent emulating TTRPGs. So saying an MMO feels too much like D&D is almost like saying D&D feels too much like fantasy literature. Most D&D groups wouldn't bat an eye at that (some might bat an eye to having their preferred edition compared to a war-game I suppose). </p><p></p><p>Also when people say that what they really mean is the medium of TTRPG, its big strength is this idea that you can do anything, you can imagine anything, you can go beyond the predetermined field of play. Obviously video games have improved a lot since then so this is likely not as much an apt point (I haven't played video games regularly since the game cube so I am extremely out of touch with what is possible now when it comes to MMOs----I am just assuming they've advanced a lot and that it is likely there is some clever way you can get beyond whatever the programers laid down initially). So the statement "This feels like a video game" or this feels like "Wow": I think is a statement that it feels like I am more constrained or I feel like a set of buttons I can push. I can see how some might be insulted by that but I also think it expressed something people genuinely felt about the change (and a sentiment people have about the medium itself). And true, many of us making that comparison were making it quite casually. I was never into WOW and I only played magic a handful of times. So for me at least, I was comparing it to my impression of those things (and on my experience playing video games through the 90s and into the very early 2000s).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8496987, member: 85555"] But there is probably somewhat of a rationale for this. One, MMOs are huge, they are in no way threatened by D&D. But D&D, at one time, felt very under threat from both MMOs and magic cards. I remember how we were hemorrhaging players when both the MMOs and magic cards started taking off. So I think there is a reason this wouldn't swing both ways as much in terms of what it means to compare them. Also D&D is emulating stuff like fantasy literature and comes out of war-games. Whereas MMOs are, to an extent emulating TTRPGs. So saying an MMO feels too much like D&D is almost like saying D&D feels too much like fantasy literature. Most D&D groups wouldn't bat an eye at that (some might bat an eye to having their preferred edition compared to a war-game I suppose). Also when people say that what they really mean is the medium of TTRPG, its big strength is this idea that you can do anything, you can imagine anything, you can go beyond the predetermined field of play. Obviously video games have improved a lot since then so this is likely not as much an apt point (I haven't played video games regularly since the game cube so I am extremely out of touch with what is possible now when it comes to MMOs----I am just assuming they've advanced a lot and that it is likely there is some clever way you can get beyond whatever the programers laid down initially). So the statement "This feels like a video game" or this feels like "Wow": I think is a statement that it feels like I am more constrained or I feel like a set of buttons I can push. I can see how some might be insulted by that but I also think it expressed something people genuinely felt about the change (and a sentiment people have about the medium itself). And true, many of us making that comparison were making it quite casually. I was never into WOW and I only played magic a handful of times. So for me at least, I was comparing it to my impression of those things (and on my experience playing video games through the 90s and into the very early 2000s). [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
"Red Orc" American Indians and "Yellow Orc" Mongolians in D&D
Top