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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8497401" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yes, someone published a book, and I'm not going to debate YOU about what some other person whom I don't know and have never met has to say. I don't even particularly dispute any of the particulars they cite, as I wasn't present in any place they talk about specifically. I was in a lot of other places. I didn't see any of the things they saw. If I write it down in a book does that somehow bless it with the badge of 'truth'? Lets not get silly here. My contention is that if you threw a dart at all the D&D tables in the US in 1978 that the chance of it landing on one that was RPing in anything substantively beyond the level of what was going on in Lake Geneva would be VANISHINGLY SMALL. That could still leave 100's of such groups around that were doing amazing RP. Now and then we would hear some rumor of such; but nobody really understood what they were doing (because D&D as-written pretty much crushes that kind of play). We were all having enough fun that if a random GM suggested some more RP-heavy game it either got ignored, or it lasted a few weeks and died of lack of interest. GRADUALLY, over the period 1977 to 1981 or so, people generally came to realize that you could RP and figured it out, but mostly in OTHER GAMES, NOT D&D.</p><p></p><p>I would call the period 1974-1981 or so, roughly, 'early D&D'. You can see from published adventures and stories of the most documented campaigns and such that it was an era of homebrew, lots of dungeons, and a general emphasis on treasure hauls and whatnot. The ideas of deeper characterization existed, but it wasn't much taken in depth in 'community play' certainly. What happened in people's family rooms on Saturday Night is hard to say, we didn't have Internet!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8497401, member: 82106"] Yes, someone published a book, and I'm not going to debate YOU about what some other person whom I don't know and have never met has to say. I don't even particularly dispute any of the particulars they cite, as I wasn't present in any place they talk about specifically. I was in a lot of other places. I didn't see any of the things they saw. If I write it down in a book does that somehow bless it with the badge of 'truth'? Lets not get silly here. My contention is that if you threw a dart at all the D&D tables in the US in 1978 that the chance of it landing on one that was RPing in anything substantively beyond the level of what was going on in Lake Geneva would be VANISHINGLY SMALL. That could still leave 100's of such groups around that were doing amazing RP. Now and then we would hear some rumor of such; but nobody really understood what they were doing (because D&D as-written pretty much crushes that kind of play). We were all having enough fun that if a random GM suggested some more RP-heavy game it either got ignored, or it lasted a few weeks and died of lack of interest. GRADUALLY, over the period 1977 to 1981 or so, people generally came to realize that you could RP and figured it out, but mostly in OTHER GAMES, NOT D&D. I would call the period 1974-1981 or so, roughly, 'early D&D'. You can see from published adventures and stories of the most documented campaigns and such that it was an era of homebrew, lots of dungeons, and a general emphasis on treasure hauls and whatnot. The ideas of deeper characterization existed, but it wasn't much taken in depth in 'community play' certainly. What happened in people's family rooms on Saturday Night is hard to say, we didn't have Internet! [/QUOTE]
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