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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mirtek" data-source="post: 8497691" data-attributes="member: 40810">The toxicity was coming from both sides back then. The outright glee not only about the slaughter of a sacred cow but specifically how people who liked that sacred cow were rebuffed by losing something they happend to enjoy was very present on the pro-4e side. Just as much as the "it's videogamy" was on the opposing site.Don't start about how any critizism was meet with hostility until the very moment that WotC fixed it and then it was suddenly seen as "finally they repaired this glaring problem".Mentioning that the areas of effect of epic powers were to huge? -> How dare you!WotC nerfing the areas of epic powers and stating "sorry, we didn't really playtest epic levels, we just assumed the mobility and areas fought over would be larger"? -> praise WotCMentioning that the math behing skill challenges was off and resulting in a disadvantage at longer challenges? - How dare you!WotC reviewing and changing skill challenges due to noticing the math not working out?-> Great move long overdueMentioning that there was an obvious gap between defense and attack development? - How dare you!WotC adding expertise to patch it with a "feat tax"? - Thanks for this new must have feat. Finally hit ratio feels right again at higher levelSo many of the errata and revisions that were (months) later added by WotC were spotted within the first few weeks of 4e release. But better not dare to mention it anywhere.</blockquote>

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