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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8499669" data-attributes="member: 6778210">lmao, the argument that "Things were so bad that we couldn't concentrate on this sort of stuff" is utterly hysterical and totally nonsense. We're in the midst of a global pandemic, supply shortages, probably the most unstable geopolitical situation since the fall of the Soviet Union, among a variety of incredibly dangerous domestic political situations. I grew up in the 80's and the 90's, and right now feels like the most dangerous time I've ever lived through and somehow we still manage to pay attention to this stuff.And this is why people push back on the "it was a different time" argument: there is an argument to be made there, but it takes nuance that is definitely not being used here. Instead, it's basically being used as a heavy-handed bludgeon to try and end any sort of discussion on the manner. "It was a different time, so we don't talk about it" and let's add in some "If you weren't there, you wouldn't understand" in there because Argument from Authority/Personal Experience totally isn't a fallacy when it's about age.In fact, you basically completely disarm your own argument by bringing up a great example of something no one cared about until they were forced to interact with it: AIDS. For a good portion of the 80's it was basically ignored until it became widespread enough that people actually had to start to interact with people infected with it, through family, friends, coworkers... what happens is that people are brought into contact with these things and suddenly they have a face put to it, so that they can no longer just ignore it and write it off as something that doesn't affect them. You can trace this through a bunch of issues: a good modern version would be police violence, where the proliferation of video cameras has basically brought about a real demand for police reform that wasn't there before because it was abstracted for many people.And that's what we have here. No one noticed Orcs of Thar is not because of how much was going on, but because it was a niche product in a niche hobby in a time where things wouldn't widely get noticed because we simply weren't as interconnected as we are now. This is not an argument about "colonialist language" or more subtle things, but just blatant offensive racial stereotype stuff. It's the sort of stuff that would have been offensive enough that my grandmother probably would have taken notice and not bought me any more D&D products. It's not because the world of the 1980's were so utterly terrible that no one would possibly notice.</blockquote>

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