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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8499825" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>I am not so sure that what is going on here as far as author intent for <em>the point</em> is to be hurtful to Indians.</p><p></p><p>The humanoids seem to be in part specifically dumb parody versions of a bunch of in world Mystara cultures. The Atruaghin clans are generally understood to be the fantasy Indians of Mystara, the Red Orcs are the dumb humanoid versions of the Atruaghin. The Ethengar are the Mystaran fantasy Mongols and the Yellow Orcs and Gnollistan and such are generally stupid humanoid versions that mirror the Ethengar. It is not just Indians and Mongols, there are roman style mirrorings and the kobolds mirroring the Mystaran Darokinian Fantasy Italian trader states with their kobold High Doge Constantin Diocletus.</p><p></p><p>The Atruaghin clans would not have a Chief Sitting Drool, while the dumb humanoid version does.</p><p></p><p>The author intent could have been to cruelly mock Indians as the point. Or it could have been to mock dumb fantasy orcs. Or both or something else I have not thought of.</p><p></p><p>Similarly with the art of the orc punks with the spike going through the brain enjoying the breakdancing it could have been to target White British punks and say they are brainless idiots, or the intent could be that orcs are brainless, or to be ambiguous and leave it up to audience interpretation. It could be considered a dig at black urban culture through the breakdancing connection, with the breakdancing being appreciated by brainless idiots, or that can be taken as too attenuated a connection.</p><p></p><p>Given that in this product itself humanoids are multicultural and generally stupid and all the cultures they have specifically mirror other ones in the world who are not similarly treated in a stupid mocking fashion I find it more likely the intent was to have humanoids be stupid Mad Magazine style parodies of many other things and the humanoids are intended to be considered the stupid and mockable target.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8499825, member: 2209"] I am not so sure that what is going on here as far as author intent for [I]the point[/I] is to be hurtful to Indians. The humanoids seem to be in part specifically dumb parody versions of a bunch of in world Mystara cultures. The Atruaghin clans are generally understood to be the fantasy Indians of Mystara, the Red Orcs are the dumb humanoid versions of the Atruaghin. The Ethengar are the Mystaran fantasy Mongols and the Yellow Orcs and Gnollistan and such are generally stupid humanoid versions that mirror the Ethengar. It is not just Indians and Mongols, there are roman style mirrorings and the kobolds mirroring the Mystaran Darokinian Fantasy Italian trader states with their kobold High Doge Constantin Diocletus. The Atruaghin clans would not have a Chief Sitting Drool, while the dumb humanoid version does. The author intent could have been to cruelly mock Indians as the point. Or it could have been to mock dumb fantasy orcs. Or both or something else I have not thought of. Similarly with the art of the orc punks with the spike going through the brain enjoying the breakdancing it could have been to target White British punks and say they are brainless idiots, or the intent could be that orcs are brainless, or to be ambiguous and leave it up to audience interpretation. It could be considered a dig at black urban culture through the breakdancing connection, with the breakdancing being appreciated by brainless idiots, or that can be taken as too attenuated a connection. Given that in this product itself humanoids are multicultural and generally stupid and all the cultures they have specifically mirror other ones in the world who are not similarly treated in a stupid mocking fashion I find it more likely the intent was to have humanoids be stupid Mad Magazine style parodies of many other things and the humanoids are intended to be considered the stupid and mockable target. [/QUOTE]
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