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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8500001" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>And that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Being popular doesn't mean people don't know it's wrong. In fact, stuff like <em>Married With Children </em>were popular <em><strong>because </strong></em>they were regressive. It's part of the appeal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but it wouldn't agree with your argument. The idea that it was harder back then doesn't work with the idea that it was harder for the people who were being mocked. In fact, it goes directly against it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then report me? If a mod comes in and says something, whatever. But this comes across as refusing to engage on the topic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, I don't think you have a good hang on American history. Not trying to offend, but I don't think your current view accurately captures it from the American end.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No one is saying this, people are saying that we always knew it was wrong. It was just easier to ignore it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, I grew up in the Metro Detroit area when the auto companies were starting to decline. Even then, while there are bittersweet parts of the 80's and 90's people remember them way more positively than what came afterwards for a plethora of reasons, from job security to relative level of wealth to a more orderly sense of what was happening in the world as well as a sense of "victory" at the end of the Cold War.</p><p></p><p>Really, this whole "things were harder" idea when it comes to the '80's feels really weird given how hard 9/11 and the decade afterward shook America.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, probably not? While America has problems, it's generally way more inclusive than a lot of other countries, particularly on religion and refugees. I know NZ might be good, but it's not 20-30 years good.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no idea where you pulled those numbers from, and I really don't think you should be speaking on the subject if your first date is not 1967 when it comes to rioting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8500001, member: 6778210"] And that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Being popular doesn't mean people don't know it's wrong. In fact, stuff like [I]Married With Children [/I]were popular [I][B]because [/B][/I]they were regressive. It's part of the appeal. Yes, but it wouldn't agree with your argument. The idea that it was harder back then doesn't work with the idea that it was harder for the people who were being mocked. In fact, it goes directly against it. Then report me? If a mod comes in and says something, whatever. But this comes across as refusing to engage on the topic. I mean, I don't think you have a good hang on American history. Not trying to offend, but I don't think your current view accurately captures it from the American end. No one is saying this, people are saying that we always knew it was wrong. It was just easier to ignore it. I mean, I grew up in the Metro Detroit area when the auto companies were starting to decline. Even then, while there are bittersweet parts of the 80's and 90's people remember them way more positively than what came afterwards for a plethora of reasons, from job security to relative level of wealth to a more orderly sense of what was happening in the world as well as a sense of "victory" at the end of the Cold War. Really, this whole "things were harder" idea when it comes to the '80's feels really weird given how hard 9/11 and the decade afterward shook America. I mean, probably not? While America has problems, it's generally way more inclusive than a lot of other countries, particularly on religion and refugees. I know NZ might be good, but it's not 20-30 years good. I have no idea where you pulled those numbers from, and I really don't think you should be speaking on the subject if your first date is not 1967 when it comes to rioting. [/QUOTE]
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