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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8500013" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I will start with what I think is your mistake.</p><p></p><p>Why is it valuable for my kids to learn that a certain part of mainstream American thought and literature classified them as "mongrels"? As a general rule white kids don't need to undergo this "learning".</p><p></p><p>And why should my kids need me to protect them when they go to the public library? As a general rule, white kids don't need their parent to protect them in this way.</p><p></p><p>I was involved for a little while with a group that actually got push-back when it wanted to start it's own little children's lending library, where all the works would be by authors of colour. I don't think the concerned liberals had fully thought through their response to the proposal, nor the fact that a white kid might go to a public library and look through work after work after work written by white authors and foregrounding their experiences. I certainly don't think it had occurred to them that white kids never run the risk of encountering works that will frame them as REH and HPL frame all the other kids who might come across them.</p><p></p><p>Where, here, do you see any trading on default responses to people of colour that are elements in a system of ideology and subjugation?</p><p></p><p>That may be present - ancient Egypt frequently figures in depiction of the "vigour" of civilisation having shifted from the "East" to the "West" - but I don't know FR well enough to express a view on it.</p><p></p><p>It seems to me that in cases like this there is more likelihood that conceptions of "jungle" cultures will reflect default responses that are parts of systems of ideology and subordination. Especially if the ideas about those cultures have been mediated in part or primarily via films, comics, pulps and their offspring, etc.</p><p></p><p>Should he not have? Would doing otherwise have been true to the works? Would doing otherwise have given so many Maori and other actors of colour jobs?</p><p></p><p>I didn't make a normative judgement, just an observation. The normative inferences from that observation are in my view not easy to draw.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8500013, member: 42582"] I will start with what I think is your mistake. Why is it valuable for my kids to learn that a certain part of mainstream American thought and literature classified them as "mongrels"? As a general rule white kids don't need to undergo this "learning". And why should my kids need me to protect them when they go to the public library? As a general rule, white kids don't need their parent to protect them in this way. I was involved for a little while with a group that actually got push-back when it wanted to start it's own little children's lending library, where all the works would be by authors of colour. I don't think the concerned liberals had fully thought through their response to the proposal, nor the fact that a white kid might go to a public library and look through work after work after work written by white authors and foregrounding their experiences. I certainly don't think it had occurred to them that white kids never run the risk of encountering works that will frame them as REH and HPL frame all the other kids who might come across them. Where, here, do you see any trading on default responses to people of colour that are elements in a system of ideology and subjugation? That may be present - ancient Egypt frequently figures in depiction of the "vigour" of civilisation having shifted from the "East" to the "West" - but I don't know FR well enough to express a view on it. It seems to me that in cases like this there is more likelihood that conceptions of "jungle" cultures will reflect default responses that are parts of systems of ideology and subordination. Especially if the ideas about those cultures have been mediated in part or primarily via films, comics, pulps and their offspring, etc. Should he not have? Would doing otherwise have been true to the works? Would doing otherwise have given so many Maori and other actors of colour jobs? I didn't make a normative judgement, just an observation. The normative inferences from that observation are in my view not easy to draw. [/QUOTE]
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