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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 8501420" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>A lot of this discussion, and similar discussions, seems to boil down to a series of related questions:</p><p></p><p>How "problematic" is a work, that is, to what <em>degree</em> is it problematic? And is it ok if different people see it differently? (And can we live with not everyone seeing it the same way as I do?) Also, what to "do" about its problematic nature? And what if others have a different response (or are not responding as much as I am)?</p><p></p><p>HP Lovecraft and Orcs of Thar are pretty easy, because almost everyone acknowledges the problematic elements (unlike other elements of D&D lore that I won't mention, so as not to dredge up old conversations). But there still seems to a range of responses in terms of <em>how </em>problematic, and <em>what to do </em>about it.</p><p></p><p>Personally speaking, I just don't see the value in trying to enforce a singular perspective or response, as if there is one correct degree, and anything less than that is abhorrent or, at least, in error. I mean, isn't that a variation on One True Wayism? There's only one, true way to see this? One way to respond?</p><p></p><p>Now couple that with what i said about multi-perspectivism, and what [USER=2209]@Voadam[/USER] illustrated--that there are many lenses to perceive a work from (or no lens at all, but just pure story). And even if we advocate the "problematic lens," does that negate the others? Or does it so taint a work that the other lenses don't matter?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 8501420, member: 59082"] A lot of this discussion, and similar discussions, seems to boil down to a series of related questions: How "problematic" is a work, that is, to what [I]degree[/I] is it problematic? And is it ok if different people see it differently? (And can we live with not everyone seeing it the same way as I do?) Also, what to "do" about its problematic nature? And what if others have a different response (or are not responding as much as I am)? HP Lovecraft and Orcs of Thar are pretty easy, because almost everyone acknowledges the problematic elements (unlike other elements of D&D lore that I won't mention, so as not to dredge up old conversations). But there still seems to a range of responses in terms of [I]how [/I]problematic, and [I]what to do [/I]about it. Personally speaking, I just don't see the value in trying to enforce a singular perspective or response, as if there is one correct degree, and anything less than that is abhorrent or, at least, in error. I mean, isn't that a variation on One True Wayism? There's only one, true way to see this? One way to respond? Now couple that with what i said about multi-perspectivism, and what [USER=2209]@Voadam[/USER] illustrated--that there are many lenses to perceive a work from (or no lens at all, but just pure story). And even if we advocate the "problematic lens," does that negate the others? Or does it so taint a work that the other lenses don't matter? [/QUOTE]
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