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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8502602" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>The only people outraged in this discussions are the people trying to invalidate the discussion itself, accuse people who want to talk about how racist a work is of "moral panic", and demand that every poster who has a criticism for the works in questions have some tangible solution in mind. </p><p></p><p>Noting that "Big Chief Sitting Drool" is incredibly, blatantly, disgustingly, racist, does not require outrage. </p><p></p><p>A homeless person crapped by my mailbox last night. I noticed it when my dog tried to go investigate it on our morning walk. I was <em>disgusted</em> by it, but any <em>outrage </em>I feel about is directly entirely at my city and county and their total failure to help the homeless in spite of having the resources to increase police budgets and start public works projects that only do any good for the people living in the high rent parts of town. </p><p></p><p>The two responses are not the same, and don't require eachother.</p><p></p><p>Ensure that anyone who picks it up at the bookstore or library knows that the author was an especially xenophobic scumbag, and that his scumbag views about the value of different peoples heavily inform his works. </p><p></p><p>And rename any accolade or other monument that bears their name.</p><p></p><p>And we discuss it with eachother. The obnoxious thing about certain posters' suggestions in this thread is that they imply that the discussion isn't worth having, or else isn't worth having unless some distinct "correct" consensus can be come to about it, both of which are egregiously absurd.</p><p></p><p>yes, this.</p><p></p><p>In the case of Lovecraft, they could even reference the Mythos without ever naming him or any of his direct works. Why promote a man who genuinely equated mixed race human beings with fish-people abominations, and argued that the unification of Germany was worth the disenfranchisement of Germany's marginalized people under Hitler and the Nazis?</p><p></p><p>Just wanna remind everyone that Gradine didn't call for sensitivity distributors <em>banning books</em>, but rather that they would give recommendations and <em>specified disclaimers</em>, rather than generic ones.</p><p></p><p>Damn right.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8502602, member: 6704184"] The only people outraged in this discussions are the people trying to invalidate the discussion itself, accuse people who want to talk about how racist a work is of "moral panic", and demand that every poster who has a criticism for the works in questions have some tangible solution in mind. Noting that "Big Chief Sitting Drool" is incredibly, blatantly, disgustingly, racist, does not require outrage. A homeless person crapped by my mailbox last night. I noticed it when my dog tried to go investigate it on our morning walk. I was [I]disgusted[/I] by it, but any [I]outrage [/I]I feel about is directly entirely at my city and county and their total failure to help the homeless in spite of having the resources to increase police budgets and start public works projects that only do any good for the people living in the high rent parts of town. The two responses are not the same, and don't require eachother. Ensure that anyone who picks it up at the bookstore or library knows that the author was an especially xenophobic scumbag, and that his scumbag views about the value of different peoples heavily inform his works. And rename any accolade or other monument that bears their name. And we discuss it with eachother. The obnoxious thing about certain posters' suggestions in this thread is that they imply that the discussion isn't worth having, or else isn't worth having unless some distinct "correct" consensus can be come to about it, both of which are egregiously absurd. yes, this. In the case of Lovecraft, they could even reference the Mythos without ever naming him or any of his direct works. Why promote a man who genuinely equated mixed race human beings with fish-people abominations, and argued that the unification of Germany was worth the disenfranchisement of Germany's marginalized people under Hitler and the Nazis? Just wanna remind everyone that Gradine didn't call for sensitivity distributors [I]banning books[/I], but rather that they would give recommendations and [I]specified disclaimers[/I], rather than generic ones. Damn right. [/QUOTE]
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