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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8502648" data-attributes="member: 6778210">Is "Orcs of Thar" so important to D&D that it carries the same level? Because of all I've seen, I really don't care if they take it off the market or not.I wouldn't feel that way equally across all products. Like, I wouldn't really care that I can't get the terrible Castle Greyhawk module, and I care less so about this one after finding out about how bad it is. I don't understand resentment for limiting Orcs of Thar because I don't understand having those sorts of feelings for that expansion.That they just don't care either way? Not really. I mean, I don't really care much about a white guy's invention and retelling of black folk tales, so I don't find them particularly important, either.No, because that's just a reductio ad absurdum argument. The problematic nature of something is individualized to that thing and is extremely dependent on context, thus the idea of "Would we get rid of everything?" is nonsense. No one has argued just because someone is offended by something we should get rid of it without any sort of examination, hence why I talked about giving them the benefit of the doubt and not just buying it wholesale. Why not put disclaimers? What is the problem with this? Why not recognize when things are bad and explain why they are so people understand why people thought these things were offensive? "Just moving forwards" misses that we can at least warn people about what we did in the past and why they were wrong. [USER=6688049]@Dungeonosophy[/USER] 's outline for what they'd want to happen is utterly reasonable. What's the reason to not do these things?What do you mean by "signaling"? Are you saying we're just virtue signaling?Because honestly, I haven't seen that at all in these threads and it feels like a whole lot of projection.Oh for the...There is a difference between feeling emotions and being emotional. You are conflating the two. When you are offended, you are feeling an emotion. But you can also outline logically why you feel that way, and why it's doing that. When people talk about being offended by the Orcs of Thar, they can outline why these things make them feel that way.BEING EMOTIONAL is colloquially used when you are not using logic. When someone feels like they are being attacked because they are taking alignment out of the game or are being called racist because of why people want it out of the game, that is them being emotional. It's not about how they are feeling, but how they are justifying those feelings. Someone feeling like they are getting called a racist because they like alignment despite people continually saying that is not the case is a good example.The whole point is that the people who are offended can justify why they are in a way that those who feel like they are being called racists can't.</blockquote>

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