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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8502787" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>But you refuse to show any evidence of that supposedly pervasive element, even in the face of others basically looking at you with surprise and saying, "what now? where!?". Or even to really explain how anyone has implied such a thing.</p><p></p><p>That's all it inherently does. The rest depends on thespecific case. Like just about everything else in the world.</p><p></p><p>Okay. I have differing preferences for such a list, but a group of people with varying preferences would, one assumes, have a whole discussion about it before the final product was made and printed.</p><p></p><p>But if you don't allow people to explain that you've misunderstood them, you're just making empty claims at others' expense.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of intent, it equates one to the other. And again, the quote doesn't describe a slippery slope, so it's also a difference of type.</p><p></p><p>Sure. No one here is suggesting censorship, however. And no, it does not apply to criticism of a work and it's creator, or of public figures for their values and the implied values of their actions.</p><p></p><p>Except that the quote doesn't make the same argument as those examples, and in general it is distasteful to use things famously associated with the Holocaust in your arguments by reduction or comparison. There is always an alternative example that <em>isn't</em> from one of history's great genocides.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But they didn't, actually. They stopped supporting old software. At worst, they were inconsiderate of said group of gamers.</p><p></p><p>Then how does resentment come into it? That is the biggest thing I don't understand. They didn't betray you, they didn't take away from you anything that was yours or owed to you, they did nothing more than...not sell a specific set of products anymore.</p><p></p><p>This is...all I can really say in this forum is that I think this characterization is very inaccurate, to the point of being unfairly disprespectful.</p><p></p><p>I obviously disagree.</p><p></p><p>How did they make things worse for you? They didn't remove anything from your hard drive or book shelf, I assume. This is like being angry at the local bookstore because they stopped selling a particular book, or a restaurant because they chose to stop serving a very niche dish.</p><p></p><p>I never said it was, and have indeed <em>never</em> equated legality to morality, in any context. I find the practice quite distasteful and disruptive to a genuine understanding of things like social and economic justice.</p><p></p><p>Wait, you're claiming that switching to the browser model was a negative, and stating this claim as if it were obviously true. I heartily disagree.</p><p></p><p>However, even if I agreed, I still wouldn't agree that it's reasonable to be angry at them for doing so. They had every right (not just legal, but ethical and social, as well) to change the platform of access for their subscription service.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8502787, member: 6704184"] But you refuse to show any evidence of that supposedly pervasive element, even in the face of others basically looking at you with surprise and saying, "what now? where!?". Or even to really explain how anyone has implied such a thing. That's all it inherently does. The rest depends on thespecific case. Like just about everything else in the world. Okay. I have differing preferences for such a list, but a group of people with varying preferences would, one assumes, have a whole discussion about it before the final product was made and printed. But if you don't allow people to explain that you've misunderstood them, you're just making empty claims at others' expense. Regardless of intent, it equates one to the other. And again, the quote doesn't describe a slippery slope, so it's also a difference of type. Sure. No one here is suggesting censorship, however. And no, it does not apply to criticism of a work and it's creator, or of public figures for their values and the implied values of their actions. Except that the quote doesn't make the same argument as those examples, and in general it is distasteful to use things famously associated with the Holocaust in your arguments by reduction or comparison. There is always an alternative example that [I]isn't[/I] from one of history's great genocides. But they didn't, actually. They stopped supporting old software. At worst, they were inconsiderate of said group of gamers. Then how does resentment come into it? That is the biggest thing I don't understand. They didn't betray you, they didn't take away from you anything that was yours or owed to you, they did nothing more than...not sell a specific set of products anymore. This is...all I can really say in this forum is that I think this characterization is very inaccurate, to the point of being unfairly disprespectful. I obviously disagree. How did they make things worse for you? They didn't remove anything from your hard drive or book shelf, I assume. This is like being angry at the local bookstore because they stopped selling a particular book, or a restaurant because they chose to stop serving a very niche dish. I never said it was, and have indeed [I]never[/I] equated legality to morality, in any context. I find the practice quite distasteful and disruptive to a genuine understanding of things like social and economic justice. Wait, you're claiming that switching to the browser model was a negative, and stating this claim as if it were obviously true. I heartily disagree. However, even if I agreed, I still wouldn't agree that it's reasonable to be angry at them for doing so. They had every right (not just legal, but ethical and social, as well) to change the platform of access for their subscription service. [/QUOTE]
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