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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 8502810" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>But that's the whole point: it may not apply right now, in a specific moment, but that's why hypotheticals are important to consider. And again, my analogy of driving while looking five feet in front of you. Considering the road ahead is <em>not </em>"clouding the vision," it is broadening it.</p><p></p><p>Um, that's what we're doing? And I have expressed my concerns. This is...odd. That's what I've been doing. If I hypothesize potential bad outcomes, you're going return to your focus on specifics, and ignore my driving analogy. And around and around we go.</p><p></p><p>We fundamentally disagree on this. Again, refer to my driving analogy.</p><p></p><p>Now I'm confused. What, <em>specifically, </em>do you want clarity on?</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying do nothing about anything. We're specifically talking about older and out of print products. I think the case for doing nothing is sort of like playing pick-up sticks: it is hard to pull one out and not effect the whole pile. Or perhaps bull in a china shop works.</p><p></p><p>As I said, I also don't have a huge issue with some kind of disclaimer, but I think it may be enough to say, "This wasn't good, but we'll try to do better" - and maybe end of story. Unlike the OP's suggestions that you quoted, I don't think it has to be a long, drawn-out process of apologies, which has an element of public shaming to it, and can often be rather forced.</p><p></p><p>Again, we disagree on it. Again and again, please refer to my more recent analogy, that of driving. Do you really think that one should drive and only look five feet ahead? I'm not talking about making up tornados and semi trucks, but being aware, and recognizing how a short move right now can lead to all sorts of problems.</p><p></p><p>See above.</p><p></p><p>See above.</p><p></p><p>And within the last page I was accused of using a quote to defend fascists.</p><p></p><p>Um, that's kind of my point: there are many variations, but talking about the "other side" and how they're all irrational goes against your statement that you only like to look at specifics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 8502810, member: 59082"] But that's the whole point: it may not apply right now, in a specific moment, but that's why hypotheticals are important to consider. And again, my analogy of driving while looking five feet in front of you. Considering the road ahead is [I]not [/I]"clouding the vision," it is broadening it. Um, that's what we're doing? And I have expressed my concerns. This is...odd. That's what I've been doing. If I hypothesize potential bad outcomes, you're going return to your focus on specifics, and ignore my driving analogy. And around and around we go. We fundamentally disagree on this. Again, refer to my driving analogy. Now I'm confused. What, [I]specifically, [/I]do you want clarity on? I'm not saying do nothing about anything. We're specifically talking about older and out of print products. I think the case for doing nothing is sort of like playing pick-up sticks: it is hard to pull one out and not effect the whole pile. Or perhaps bull in a china shop works. As I said, I also don't have a huge issue with some kind of disclaimer, but I think it may be enough to say, "This wasn't good, but we'll try to do better" - and maybe end of story. Unlike the OP's suggestions that you quoted, I don't think it has to be a long, drawn-out process of apologies, which has an element of public shaming to it, and can often be rather forced. Again, we disagree on it. Again and again, please refer to my more recent analogy, that of driving. Do you really think that one should drive and only look five feet ahead? I'm not talking about making up tornados and semi trucks, but being aware, and recognizing how a short move right now can lead to all sorts of problems. See above. See above. And within the last page I was accused of using a quote to defend fascists. Um, that's kind of my point: there are many variations, but talking about the "other side" and how they're all irrational goes against your statement that you only like to look at specifics. [/QUOTE]
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