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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8502829" data-attributes="member: 6778210">But it is, because you can't engage with the actual topic in specifics because the actual topic itself is specific. This is not a general philosophy thing here, we have an actual situation to look at.Yes, because we are talking about a specific situation. If you can't come up with a potential bad situation on this specific situation, then what are we even talking about? Again, I find it weird that you can't engage with the actual situation, but have to sit back and talk about the general.I mean, it's more like you're refusing the get off the highway because the surface streets are too narrow, and thus you've driven right past the discussion.Why did you say it was mixed if you didn't say there was anything wrong with it? That's my point: something isn't "mixed" if you don't have something bad to go with the good. You have to have the judgements in there for it to be mixed, otherwise it'd just be good or bad or indifferent.Finally, something of substance.I don't get the whole "pick up sticks" thing: again, you can treat these things individually. This is not a legal process wherein you need to decide the fate of individuals, but rather looking at content that you own. This means you don't have to have a process that will have to be used dispassionately by others in a way that will affect people beyond your reach; you can just individually judge them on their merits and decide a response as appropriate.Now you talk about public shaming, but I think a strong public apologies does way more than simply "We'll do better" because it shows actual action on the topic. Too often you get non-apologies from people, and one of the biggest problems we have in this whole thing is people not actually understanding the problematic nature of the product. I feel like being comprehensive is a way better show of good faith than a quiet assurance.Again, you're never getting off the highway with your focus on the big picture. You have to go to the narrow specific streets. You talk about seeing more than 5 feet ahead, but you have to actually make it to your destination and you're not able to take the exit right now.Eh, fair enough on that point, I suppose.Because the specifics of the others side generally work like that, as you yourself pointed out. There are more dispassionate arguments, but they are not the ones that typically dominate this discourse.</blockquote>

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