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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8502949" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>I'm not saying people should pirate it, but I think the fear of something just disappearing forever is at a certain level overblown.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then why not let them do disclaimers and an article series and maybe link a few to different charities? To me, it seems that doing something proactively is way easier and way more likely to satisfy and defuse any sort of momentum that can be gathered. Instead if you let it fester, you are more likely to have people build up with the people who simply want that stuff gone and what's the likelihood that WOTC just takes the maximalist approach at that point? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I just don't see the comparison. Not all advocacy is equal to me, and I don't think it's bad to push Wizards to donate a very small amount of money to cash for what would likely be an easy PR stunt. It's not like they are losing massive amounts of cash here, and they get trust with it. And this doesn't involve any sort of loss of history, but rather just putting the money towards helping right the wrongs of the past.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't say they existed to serve me, but okay man. Advocacy is advocacy. They've already had problems with racism and community members in the past; it would seem better to take a proactive stance and use the past as a good teaching tool for the future. To me, the disclaimers are the minimum. If you're comfortable with that, cool.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, but their collection as a whole? Much closer. The idea isn't just tied to GAZ10, but meant as something to be examined across the line. If you don't believe in that, fine. I don't see the harm in advocating for it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, we're at declaring Volo a racist, so I guess that's an improvement.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, what you're talking about is what we are already doing: no one really looks back because it's hard and no one wants to acknowledge, and then we just keep running into the same problems because we've never really reckoned with the early, easy stuff. The whole point in going back to the old stuff is that it <em>is</em> easy, which means it's easier to go through, accept, create the framework to move forward through. Like, if you have no starting place, where do you move forward from?</p><p></p><p>Because you can't just move forward from the present when you haven't even looked at the mistakes of the past.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I respect the principle, at the least.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8502949, member: 6778210"] I'm not saying people should pirate it, but I think the fear of something just disappearing forever is at a certain level overblown. Then why not let them do disclaimers and an article series and maybe link a few to different charities? To me, it seems that doing something proactively is way easier and way more likely to satisfy and defuse any sort of momentum that can be gathered. Instead if you let it fester, you are more likely to have people build up with the people who simply want that stuff gone and what's the likelihood that WOTC just takes the maximalist approach at that point? I just don't see the comparison. Not all advocacy is equal to me, and I don't think it's bad to push Wizards to donate a very small amount of money to cash for what would likely be an easy PR stunt. It's not like they are losing massive amounts of cash here, and they get trust with it. And this doesn't involve any sort of loss of history, but rather just putting the money towards helping right the wrongs of the past. I didn't say they existed to serve me, but okay man. Advocacy is advocacy. They've already had problems with racism and community members in the past; it would seem better to take a proactive stance and use the past as a good teaching tool for the future. To me, the disclaimers are the minimum. If you're comfortable with that, cool. No, but their collection as a whole? Much closer. The idea isn't just tied to GAZ10, but meant as something to be examined across the line. If you don't believe in that, fine. I don't see the harm in advocating for it. I mean, we're at declaring Volo a racist, so I guess that's an improvement. No, what you're talking about is what we are already doing: no one really looks back because it's hard and no one wants to acknowledge, and then we just keep running into the same problems because we've never really reckoned with the early, easy stuff. The whole point in going back to the old stuff is that it [I]is[/I] easy, which means it's easier to go through, accept, create the framework to move forward through. Like, if you have no starting place, where do you move forward from? Because you can't just move forward from the present when you haven't even looked at the mistakes of the past. I respect the principle, at the least. [/QUOTE]
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