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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8505095" data-attributes="member: 6915329">And yet the trend continued in 2e, which included Habitat/Society and Ecology sections. And in Dragon magazines, which had articles (e.g., Half-Orcs, in #62, and The Humanoids, in #63, both by Roger Moore for 1e; despite the title, Half-Orcs is more about orcs than half-orcs) where they had plenty of room to go into their society--and they used that room to talk about how awful they are.If they had wanted the humanoids to be not always evil, I'm they would have thought to write that. You don't need to write a dissertation on it. You need one sentence, maybe two. In modern parlance, all you need is a hash tag. After all, the 1e MM included a fair number of good and neutral monsters who weren't supposed to be used to challenge and fight PCs. In the Half-Orcs article above, Moore talks about how even half-orcs raised by humans are only occasionally going to be neutral or, more rarely, good, but will be "unnaturally" (by human standards) Lawful, because back in 1e, orcs were LE, not CE.Yes, it does apply to those arguments, very much so. Because no matter what you, as a DM, may decide, the books themselves show that the game expected orcs, goblins, etc., to be entirely evil, with maybe an exception. And "this orc is OK, he's a good orc," is not a neat counter at all. And anyway, even if and when the MMs blatantly say "not all whatevers need to be this alignment," that only actually means something if the books actually show this to be true, and not just as that one exception. Heck, skipping editions, Obould Many-Arrows: uniter of his peoples, broker of peace treaties, willing to put his own anger aside to form important alliances. Chaotic Evil. Not even Lawful! In 3x, when orcs were only "often" Chaotic Evil, they wouldn't change this one orc's alignment to even Lawful Evil.That is why saying that the exceptions counter the arguments.</blockquote>

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