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<blockquote data-quote="Malmuria" data-source="post: 8506252" data-attributes="member: 7030755"><p>1. The comments about the goblins in harry potter bearing antisemetic tropes were made by Jon Stewart, who is Jewish. So I would take them seriously on those grounds, without (OBVIOUSLY) coming to the conclusion that every Jewish person would have the same reaction or opinion.</p><p></p><p>2. It's clear to me from the original video that Stewart is pointing out these tropes without being personally "offended" per se. The article mentions that he later "clarified that he was flagging racial tropes 'so <strong>embedded in society that they’re basically invisible</strong>,' and not calling Rowling herself antisemitic" (my emphasis). Here is his <a href="https://twitter.com/jonstewart/status/1478791577573199875?s=20" target="_blank">video response</a> saying explicitly that he is not looking for JKR to apologize or anything to be censored (CW: language </p><p></p><p>3. That is an important point: discussing art/literature/culture and pointing out these tropes is not the same as being offended (as one would, for example, if someone in public directed derogatory language toward you). It's part of an <em>analysis</em> that seeks, among other things, to understand how and when these tropes are taken up and reproduced, and to what end. Often you'll find that people who point out these tropes, like the OP, are also huge fans of the work (hence their interest).</p><p></p><p>4. The author's conscious intention and immediate social and historical context is one thing an analysis can consider, but isn't inclusive of all the possible influences that find their way into a representation. As a mundane example, one could write a noir mystery and have something of an understanding of the genre without even being aware of the origins of it. Works of art, novels, games, etc are cultural documents--they tell us things about the culture in which they are produced. The point of analysis is to make those implicit influences explicit. </p><p></p><p>5. What one <em>does</em> with analysis is, as has been said many times over the course of this thread, dependent on individual interest and context. It is not the case that analysis that X uses racist tropes, for example, are the same as calls for it to be removed, or censored, or that the analysis should lead to any discrete action whatsoever. Perhaps one does nothing, except go forward with a new and different perspective on a text. Personally, even if I disagree, I ultimately find learning about new perspectives to be inherently interesting and often helpful in approaching works of art.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Malmuria, post: 8506252, member: 7030755"] 1. The comments about the goblins in harry potter bearing antisemetic tropes were made by Jon Stewart, who is Jewish. So I would take them seriously on those grounds, without (OBVIOUSLY) coming to the conclusion that every Jewish person would have the same reaction or opinion. 2. It's clear to me from the original video that Stewart is pointing out these tropes without being personally "offended" per se. The article mentions that he later "clarified that he was flagging racial tropes 'so [B]embedded in society that they’re basically invisible[/B],' and not calling Rowling herself antisemitic" (my emphasis). Here is his [URL='https://twitter.com/jonstewart/status/1478791577573199875?s=20']video response[/URL] saying explicitly that he is not looking for JKR to apologize or anything to be censored (CW: language 3. That is an important point: discussing art/literature/culture and pointing out these tropes is not the same as being offended (as one would, for example, if someone in public directed derogatory language toward you). It's part of an [I]analysis[/I] that seeks, among other things, to understand how and when these tropes are taken up and reproduced, and to what end. Often you'll find that people who point out these tropes, like the OP, are also huge fans of the work (hence their interest). 4. The author's conscious intention and immediate social and historical context is one thing an analysis can consider, but isn't inclusive of all the possible influences that find their way into a representation. As a mundane example, one could write a noir mystery and have something of an understanding of the genre without even being aware of the origins of it. Works of art, novels, games, etc are cultural documents--they tell us things about the culture in which they are produced. The point of analysis is to make those implicit influences explicit. 5. What one [I]does[/I] with analysis is, as has been said many times over the course of this thread, dependent on individual interest and context. It is not the case that analysis that X uses racist tropes, for example, are the same as calls for it to be removed, or censored, or that the analysis should lead to any discrete action whatsoever. Perhaps one does nothing, except go forward with a new and different perspective on a text. Personally, even if I disagree, I ultimately find learning about new perspectives to be inherently interesting and often helpful in approaching works of art. [/QUOTE]
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