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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Snipehunt" data-source="post: 1198267" data-attributes="member: 13142">Except for the circle ability, the red wizard doesn't look that great to me.  It's a good PrC, but pretty well balanced overall.The only wacky thing is the circle ability, which does make things really unfair.  But just because the Red Wizard has an ability, doesn't mean the Red Wizard can or will use it.  As Jgsugden pointed out, not every red wizard has a coterie of 9th level red wizard apprentices ready to donate to the wizard's abilities.Even if the wizard did, it might not have circled that day, or used the power for something else.  The circle thing isn't IMO meant for ordinary encounters.  I see it as a way to get a roleplaying smack against the PC's, if needed.  A reason not to seriously annoy the Red Wizards, without a really good reason or your own protection.  Or if you need to explain a really powerful spell effect.  And so on.  If a DM used that against me in a normal encounter, I'd cry foul b/c it's not a lot different than an NPC wizard casting gate and taking a PC to the NEP.  It's cheesy.IMO, if the PC's fight a Red Wizard w/ bonuses from the circle ability, you need to up the CR quite a bit.  A wiz5/red wiz 10 with circle powers is a significantly different CR than one that doesn't have any circle power for the encounter.  It's like throwing a powered-up cleric against the PC's - you have to adjust the CR.</blockquote>