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Red Wizard - What the hell was WotC smoking????
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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1198682" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>They need to exist for him to use them. If he is the BBEG, the PCs can find them. It may take effort, but they are still in the game. Besides, as I pointed out, BBEGs tend to hide behind their underlings ... they don't dive out into combat before sending out their minions.</p><p></p><p>Teleport from in an anti-magic field? Neat trick. And Mordenkainen's Disjunction takes down his buff spells. Even if the party is not 17th level, a scroll of this spell is often worth the purchase. If you're going against a Zulkir, I'd think it an obvious choice. And we must be talking a Zulkir if he has 9th level wizards at his beck and call.</p><p></p><p>This has already been completely shot down by others. </p><p></p><p>This ability, if used at an extreme, is not balanced. You are completely correct on that point. Nobody has ever argued that a 15th level caster in an EL 17 encounter throwing out caster level 40 spells is balanced. The point is that this ability should not be able to be used at such extreme levels. </p><p></p><p>As for spell focus: by itself, a +2 to DCs is not very abusive. A +4 from 2 feats (SF and GSF) is abusive. The balance of the game is designed around DCs of 10 + spell level + ability score modifiers along a fairly predicatable curve as the character advances. The additional +s from greater spell focus and spell power abilities were complete idiocy. Nerfing spell focus while adjusting greater spell focus and spell power was not necessary, but it was a fine way to go.</p><p></p><p>As for the class being unusuable because the only intelligent thing to do is to use it to such an extreme level: That is like saying people should buy everything in the world because it is smart to have everything in the world. The problem with these statements is that it completelt ignores a simple component in the equation: nobody has unlimited resources. Your argument assumes that the wizard has many powerful minions running around at his beck and call. It assumes that these beings devoted a portion of their education to being able to serve that master as a battery. It assumes that they are willing to put themselves at risk as well: any enemy of the master will try to kill them to deny his battery.</p><p></p><p>As long as you assume ridiculous resources for the Red Wizard, this ability will be overpowered. If you consider real limitations, average NPC ability scores, etc ... this stuff falls into place rather easily.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 1198682, member: 2629"] They need to exist for him to use them. If he is the BBEG, the PCs can find them. It may take effort, but they are still in the game. Besides, as I pointed out, BBEGs tend to hide behind their underlings ... they don't dive out into combat before sending out their minions. Teleport from in an anti-magic field? Neat trick. And Mordenkainen's Disjunction takes down his buff spells. Even if the party is not 17th level, a scroll of this spell is often worth the purchase. If you're going against a Zulkir, I'd think it an obvious choice. And we must be talking a Zulkir if he has 9th level wizards at his beck and call. This has already been completely shot down by others. This ability, if used at an extreme, is not balanced. You are completely correct on that point. Nobody has ever argued that a 15th level caster in an EL 17 encounter throwing out caster level 40 spells is balanced. The point is that this ability should not be able to be used at such extreme levels. As for spell focus: by itself, a +2 to DCs is not very abusive. A +4 from 2 feats (SF and GSF) is abusive. The balance of the game is designed around DCs of 10 + spell level + ability score modifiers along a fairly predicatable curve as the character advances. The additional +s from greater spell focus and spell power abilities were complete idiocy. Nerfing spell focus while adjusting greater spell focus and spell power was not necessary, but it was a fine way to go. As for the class being unusuable because the only intelligent thing to do is to use it to such an extreme level: That is like saying people should buy everything in the world because it is smart to have everything in the world. The problem with these statements is that it completelt ignores a simple component in the equation: nobody has unlimited resources. Your argument assumes that the wizard has many powerful minions running around at his beck and call. It assumes that these beings devoted a portion of their education to being able to serve that master as a battery. It assumes that they are willing to put themselves at risk as well: any enemy of the master will try to kill them to deny his battery. As long as you assume ridiculous resources for the Red Wizard, this ability will be overpowered. If you consider real limitations, average NPC ability scores, etc ... this stuff falls into place rather easily. [/QUOTE]
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