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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wish" data-source="post: 1199175" data-attributes="member: 13404">Your basic premise is flawed, Grog.  You're looking at it and saying that this 15th level wizard who's prepped for the encounter plus his 9 free cohorts are more than your 13th level PCs can handle.  Of course he is.  But that's really no different than looking at any other creature that's already a tough challenge, and assuming that it would have lots of tough minions.  Take a spectre, for instance.  It has the create spawn ability.  It could depopulate and enslave as spectres and entire village, if no adventurers happened to be passing through.  But that doesn't mean that when you create an encounter with a spectre that you should just assume that it has another 250 spectre minions, and that those don't change the balance of the encounter.If you want to use this guy at 15th level, leave out the minions.  Just like you would if you wanted to use a spectre at CR 7.  If you want to use him at ~CR 18 (with lots of powerful minions and favorable circumstances) then yes, he's going to kick the stuffing out of your 13th level characters.  Big surprise.Or, you could create him as, say, 13th level.  Let him spend a feat on Leadership to get his minions, and let them (a 9th level, a 2nd level, and a bunch of 1st levels) contribute to his circle for a max of 11 levels.You don't have to create overkill just because you can.  And your badguy can use all of the resources available to him in the encounter, if you set those resources to a resonable level.  If you give him essentially unlimited resources, of course there's going to be a problem.</blockquote>

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