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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Toras" data-source="post: 1203277" data-attributes="member: 13626">A few points.1) Thay wizards should really be a FR class because of their politics.  Their ranks are filled with backstabbing, treachery, and deceit.  If a Red Wizard manages to gather his apprentices, (without them betraying him), and gains the levels from them, he still has his multitude of rivals who watch in the shadows for a moment of weakness.  If he unloads his uber spells at the party, he no longer has these levels to menace his enemies, who he has likely been using that as a club against.  2) If he EVER doesn't make the init compared to Fighter with Mercurial Greatsword and Power Critical, Archer with Bolt of Human slaying (fort save bitch), assassin, the cleric who bitch slaps him harm (if he makes the sr), the death touch class from Book of Exalted deeds or the Archmage with Spell Turning.  Or God forbid a Spell Fire Channeler, (he'd leave such a stain)Not a single one of the groups in which am currently a part of would have failed to defeat this Red Wizard at the level range required.  Part of which gives you some idea of how broken we were and some about how dirty your willing to play it.  A party member gets mindblanked, sneaks into the Red Wizard's tower, and poisons the villians goblet.  Or our friendly archer picks him off from hiding far away.  If he doesn't see it coming, he is dead.  Also, if he does the Fireball/Cone of Cold, half my party at that level, (including my character, the half-celestial with the armor with Fire Resistance.) would have just looked at him funny.  He could have maximized and double empowered the damn thing and that would have barely slowed some of us down.  We would likely have had to raise our wizard (though he is and was an archmage with evocation speciality and spell turning), and possibly our cleric. The other party was and is just gross (Chosen of Goddess of Luck), Halfling Cavalier, a Spell Fire wielder (who turned a dracolich into his manabitch), a samuri with supreme cleave and uberginsu, the monk (me), and the cleric of baccus who had timestop as a domain ability.  Its an epic level FR campaign and I swear we have almost depopulated Thay at this point.</blockquote>

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