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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Simulacrum" data-source="post: 1204669" data-attributes="member: 7749">The books are the books, and the story's therein are not exactly D&D pen and paper.If the sisters & elmi and all the other chosen of Mystra were more epic than they are now, the red wizards would be also more powerful etc.. its not a good point of measure.I say the game should always "go with the pc's", as soon as they "advance" and become epic, they start to see that there is allready a world full of epic politcis and powers ahead of them.Why the Red Wizards havent killed any of the Sisters yet?LoL because wotc just thinks and that good should always win and that the baddies are always stupid and never get even the best plan working thats why.But honestly I dont play evil = stupid.On a grand scale such generalazations are stupid anyway. Even disregarding this, one could argue that the choosen and many other epic powers on Faerun have struggled long enough (for hundreds of years actually) to have maintained some sort of status quo, and that most epic forces need them for their politics even tho they hate them. One can imagine that some evil wizards needs some epic hero alive, otherwise he could not *convince* his superiors/gods/underligngs that his regime is good as is and that only "he" can manage that problem....whatever.But PC's (especialy those that got more or less bumped into epic gaming, without any real background and interaction with all those epic forces around them) cant just benefit from this things without them realy having worked for it hard. I mean just because you are *epic* doesnt mean you are not disposable or that any other epic force was more favoured by their surroundings.And an epic evil organazation like the Red Wizards (hey that THE EVIL EPIC ORG!) would certainly try one of the above. Most likely trying to capture on or two out of the party and making them strike a deal with them, (one that is not going in favour of the party) so that they at least pay for teh damage they have done, and make them show that there is no such thing as fopping with the Red Wizards. I mean if it was so easy to rip apart the Red Wizards, explain why no one has done it yet?You see you have to look at both sides of an argument.Or why dont the evil gods that the red wizards have done many favours for, are not angered at the good party's out there and destroy them at a regular basis?Just because Szass Tam decides to make short work of an epic party doesnt mean that the the gods can interpose or actually act against the Red's. Yes mabe they will curse Szass Tam a lot. But hey what has he got to fear? He is nearly a god himself and he is not hedged out of the world of Mortals by AO like the real gods.None the less, Szass Tam is literarily FORCED to retaliate with a quick but devastating strike. If just about anyone would hit on his business like your party did, he would be soon dishonored and be pushed aside by the other zulkirs.If I was Szass Tam I would kill your party. Not because the party is a threat to me, rather my fellow zulkirs are a serious threat to me.Its all politics you know  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> For real if you was Szass Tam you would do the same. And Szass and Larloch have a pretty good relationship. If Szass needs some epic liches and vampires he gets them. I mean what harm can it do. Liches and epic vampires cannot be destroyed (at leat not without checking larlochs lair first) anyway. So there is no reason he could not get some of larlochs lackeys for a day or two...and btw. you are done with the RW PrC at 15th level, there you can jump into the archmage PrC right away, and you'll get CS mastery as soon as everyone else.</blockquote>

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