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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 4282437" data-attributes="member: 3087">I've completely accepted your ruling and am re-writing Mirna. But it seems like you want a response so...[sblock]And if he'd rolled 10s he'd be getting 14s. Penance will average an attack roll of 13.5. Clerics don't have miss or effect powers, and they don't have area of effect attacks (so they don't get multiple dice). If your average attack roll is a miss, and you're playing a cleric that means most rounds your action is ~"do nothing".What other defenses is he going to target? AC?I know you're just starting out and you don't know the powers yet but Cleric at-wills only target those two defenses.It's not like sg is a moron for targeting reflex. He targets reflex because that's the only powers that are available to clerics.And I'm 100% sure that wotc built the game assuming most people in the party would have 18's and 20s in their prime stats. They've built the whole structure to encourage it.People didn't like MAD and they've rebuilt the system so you don't need to stress about it. A wizard with high int and wis can dump dex and cha and still be perfectly playable. A rogue with a high dex can dump int and have all their skills. (this annoyed me no end with Kil'x/Kason)You can play whatever you feel like and everyone, basically, will wind up more or less the same already.Point buy just allows people to put their own touch on a character (or helps a bit if you've made a sub-optimal choice, b/c you can "dump" your bonus stats and get back some of those points to buy up your primary).The standard array thing is just so newbies can get started without freaking out. "rank these six things in order" is a way to get over the mental hump of picking stats. It turns all the complex math into something a novice can grapple with and overcome.I appreciate that you've got two groups you want to be completely balanced.I appreiciate you've taken a conservative view.I appreciate you're running multiple games (which is very cool and much appreciated) and want to keep things as simple as possible.I'm not trying to be troublesome. I just felt bad for him because you didn't warn us.You've made your decision. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I've accepted it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I swear you'll hear no more from me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />[/sblock]</blockquote>

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