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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Redclaw" data-source="post: 4321301" data-attributes="member: 53791">My fighters usually had trouble crossing bridges or patches of ice, personally.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> As for the dump stat, that's one reason the standard array doesn't have an 8 anymore, and it's also why they combined so many skills, IMHO.  Now instead of climb, balance, swim, jump, tumble you've got atheletics and acrobatics, and you can usually use either one.  Back to the cliff scenario, the fighter might use atheletics to pull himself up, rock-climbing style while they rogue use acrobatics to jump from perch to perch.  I guess what I would say is that in most cases people should be trying to train in either Atheletics or Acrobatics, and to pick up at least one social skill.  If not, you just need to be creative with using your other skills.  It puts the cleric, ranger, warlock and wizard at a disadvantage, as they don't have access to one group or the other, but a single feat overcomes it.  Besides, you're likely to have some points in Dex or Str, and in Cha, Wis (Insight) or Int (knowledges) to make sure that you're not at a +0 for all of the rolls.Regardless, I agree with Zurai and the rest of you that the system isn't perfect.  However, I kind of like the possibilities, and I definitely prefer it to "All right Sir Smites-a-lot, you take the diplomacy checks and we'll go sit in the corner".   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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