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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5331959" data-attributes="member: 82106">I guess I'm wondering how much different 4e really is than say 1e. You had the same consumables. Hit points were in even more short supply, even if the healing was available to all a bit more flexibly. The party had a nova power at least as substantial as any 4e party does. Practically the same considerations applied. If the party expended some HP and thus probably burned a good bit of their limited healing then they stopped. If they were NOT going to go on to another encounter that day, they novaed. The effect was pretty similar. One encounter in a day was likely a pushover, OR it had to be jacked up to high difficulty to make it interesting. In either case keeping the party in doubt about the possibility of another encounter in the same day would act as a bit of a deterrent. Honestly the standard mode for most dungeon crawling parties would be to hit a room, heal, and if they were down a decent amount on resources to go hole up and heal. If they KNEW they could get away with that, then they would sure enough dust whatever they DID encounter with every spell in their repertoire. Sounds pretty much like the 4e version. I guess the question in my mind would be more about how to make sure that each encounter you have gets the players deep into their encounter resources and make them think about whether using a daily or two would be less costly overall than duking it out with the lesser stuff. At least it IS better than the old days where if a magic user used even some trivial low level spells he'd be motivated to rest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5331959, member: 82106"] I guess I'm wondering how much different 4e really is than say 1e. You had the same consumables. Hit points were in even more short supply, even if the healing was available to all a bit more flexibly. The party had a nova power at least as substantial as any 4e party does. Practically the same considerations applied. If the party expended some HP and thus probably burned a good bit of their limited healing then they stopped. If they were NOT going to go on to another encounter that day, they novaed. The effect was pretty similar. One encounter in a day was likely a pushover, OR it had to be jacked up to high difficulty to make it interesting. In either case keeping the party in doubt about the possibility of another encounter in the same day would act as a bit of a deterrent. Honestly the standard mode for most dungeon crawling parties would be to hit a room, heal, and if they were down a decent amount on resources to go hole up and heal. If they KNEW they could get away with that, then they would sure enough dust whatever they DID encounter with every spell in their repertoire. Sounds pretty much like the 4e version. I guess the question in my mind would be more about how to make sure that each encounter you have gets the players deep into their encounter resources and make them think about whether using a daily or two would be less costly overall than duking it out with the lesser stuff. At least it IS better than the old days where if a magic user used even some trivial low level spells he'd be motivated to rest. [/QUOTE]

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