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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7067351" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I take it to be a magical charm. Otherwise it makes little sense in the fiction - after being clocked on the head the NPC stays conscious for a minute of docility and then swoons?</p><p></p><p>And that's a big part of why I don't like it.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, this.</p><p></p><p>This is exactly what I mean by the mechanics leading the fiction in a silly way.</p><p></p><p>In non-D&D fantasy - eg some fairy tale or legend about a knight or a monk who beats up a varlet who, as a result, changes his/her ways from bad to good - how does it work? The knight/monk beats up said varlet. Then, the varlet, dazed and disheartened, responds to the knight's/monk's words and presence - and the scales fall from the varlet's eyes!</p><p></p><p>What stops the varlet from gutting the knight/monk is that (i) s/he is still dazed and disheartened by being beaten up, and (ii) s/he is held in awe by the knight/monk. The only reason that we would need some sort of magical effect to achieve that is because we are assuming that someone at 0 hp but still conscious must therefore be capable of launching attacks. It's the lack of a mechanical expression for the condition of being "dazed and disheartened" that is producing this outcome. That is, it's mechanics leading to (bad) fiction rather than expressing the desired fiction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7067351, member: 42582"] I take it to be a magical charm. Otherwise it makes little sense in the fiction - after being clocked on the head the NPC stays conscious for a minute of docility and then swoons? And that's a big part of why I don't like it. Yeah, this. This is exactly what I mean by the mechanics leading the fiction in a silly way. In non-D&D fantasy - eg some fairy tale or legend about a knight or a monk who beats up a varlet who, as a result, changes his/her ways from bad to good - how does it work? The knight/monk beats up said varlet. Then, the varlet, dazed and disheartened, responds to the knight's/monk's words and presence - and the scales fall from the varlet's eyes! What stops the varlet from gutting the knight/monk is that (i) s/he is still dazed and disheartened by being beaten up, and (ii) s/he is held in awe by the knight/monk. The only reason that we would need some sort of magical effect to achieve that is because we are assuming that someone at 0 hp but still conscious must therefore be capable of launching attacks. It's the lack of a mechanical expression for the condition of being "dazed and disheartened" that is producing this outcome. That is, it's mechanics leading to (bad) fiction rather than expressing the desired fiction. [/QUOTE]
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