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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7068160" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>I thought it was that there would be something in 5e for all fans of D&D... Does anyone have the exact quote of the Dev's because I've seen countless variations on it that vary wildly in their meaning.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A call back or reboot by necessity has differences from the original. The difference in terms, irregardles of how you try to downplay it is exactly where our contention lies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm saying the definitions of alignment have changed form AD&D to 3e to 4e (where the actual alignments were reconfigured) to 5e. Otherwise they'd just reprint the text of AD&D.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No they don't... and you continuing to claim they do doesn't change that fact.</p><p></p><p>You're claiming without your own personal interpretations and convoluted connections all colored by AD&D... these two descriptions below describe the exact same beliefs... is that really what you are claiming?</p><p></p><p><strong>AD&D Lawful Good</strong>: While as strict in their prosecution of law and order,</p><p>characters of lawful good alignment follow these precepts to improve the</p><p>common weal. Certain freedoms must, of course, be sacrificed in order to</p><p>bring order; but truth is of highest value, and life and beauty of great</p><p>importance. The benefits of this society are to be brought to all. </p><p></p><p>VS.</p><p></p><p><strong>(D&D 5e)Lawful good</strong> (LG) creatures can be counted on to do</p><p>the right thing as expected by society (No mention of truth, life or beauty as inherently valuable)</p><p></p><p>and these two also describe the same ideals, standards and morals...</p><p></p><p><strong>AD&D Neutral Good:</strong> Unlike those directly opposite them (neutral evil) in</p><p>alignment, creatures of neutral good believe that there must be some</p><p>regulation in combination with freedoms if the best is to be brought to the</p><p>world - the most beneficial conditions for living things in general and</p><p>intelligent creatures in particular. </p><p></p><p>vs.</p><p></p><p><strong>D&D 5e Neutral good</strong> (NG) folk do the best they can to help others according. to their needs. (less concerned about the most beneficial conditions in general and more concerned with persoanl needs) </p><p></p><p>or these...</p><p></p><p><strong>AD&D Chaotic Good</strong>: While creatures of this alignment view freedom and the</p><p>randomness of action as ultimate truths, they likewise place value on life</p><p>and the welfare of each individual. Respect for individualism is also great.</p><p>By promoting the gods of chaotic good, characters of this alignment seek</p><p>to spread their values throughout the world.</p><p></p><p><strong>D&D 5e Chaotic good</strong> (CG) creatures act as their conscience directs, with little regard for what others expect. (nothing about freedom or randomness as ultimate truths. No placing of value on life or the welfare of each individual inherently) </p><p></p><p>Yeah no, not buying it... it's not a case of 2+ 2 or four it's a case of you claiming 2+2 is equivalent to 6...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 7068160, member: 48965"] I thought it was that there would be something in 5e for all fans of D&D... Does anyone have the exact quote of the Dev's because I've seen countless variations on it that vary wildly in their meaning. A call back or reboot by necessity has differences from the original. The difference in terms, irregardles of how you try to downplay it is exactly where our contention lies. I'm saying the definitions of alignment have changed form AD&D to 3e to 4e (where the actual alignments were reconfigured) to 5e. Otherwise they'd just reprint the text of AD&D. No they don't... and you continuing to claim they do doesn't change that fact. You're claiming without your own personal interpretations and convoluted connections all colored by AD&D... these two descriptions below describe the exact same beliefs... is that really what you are claiming? [B]AD&D Lawful Good[/B]: While as strict in their prosecution of law and order, characters of lawful good alignment follow these precepts to improve the common weal. Certain freedoms must, of course, be sacrificed in order to bring order; but truth is of highest value, and life and beauty of great importance. The benefits of this society are to be brought to all. VS. [B](D&D 5e)Lawful good[/B] (LG) creatures can be counted on to do the right thing as expected by society (No mention of truth, life or beauty as inherently valuable) and these two also describe the same ideals, standards and morals... [B]AD&D Neutral Good:[/B] Unlike those directly opposite them (neutral evil) in alignment, creatures of neutral good believe that there must be some regulation in combination with freedoms if the best is to be brought to the world - the most beneficial conditions for living things in general and intelligent creatures in particular. vs. [B]D&D 5e Neutral good[/B] (NG) folk do the best they can to help others according. to their needs. (less concerned about the most beneficial conditions in general and more concerned with persoanl needs) or these... [B]AD&D Chaotic Good[/B]: While creatures of this alignment view freedom and the randomness of action as ultimate truths, they likewise place value on life and the welfare of each individual. Respect for individualism is also great. By promoting the gods of chaotic good, characters of this alignment seek to spread their values throughout the world. [B]D&D 5e Chaotic good[/B] (CG) creatures act as their conscience directs, with little regard for what others expect. (nothing about freedom or randomness as ultimate truths. No placing of value on life or the welfare of each individual inherently) Yeah no, not buying it... it's not a case of 2+ 2 or four it's a case of you claiming 2+2 is equivalent to 6... [/QUOTE]
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