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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 7069460" data-attributes="member: 6696971">That is a game balance and D&D sim issue. My issue is wholly unrelated. The current iteration of these resolution mechanics would make me feel (either as the GM beholdong it or the player of the Paladin) as though the fiction produces a PC that is either:1) Magical "loooooook into my eyes" beguilerOr2) Mundane hypnotistNeither of those are NPC inspired/shamed to potential absolution by spiritually weighty priest."The point" here being its relevance to a comparison to Come and Get It. In this case, it bears no such relevance, because the CaGI "issue" wasn't about balance. It was about:A) the (nonsense) grievance over "Martial Mind Control" generally (see also the Marked condition)...andB) NPC agency generally "why no save allowed???"...andC) NPC agency and process sim concerns specifically "but ranged characters should be immune to CaGI because they would never engage the warrior in melee!" (see tangential Proned Oozed issue) and...D) PC agency if they go from ally to enemy "what, my guy is just going to run up to the warrior and I have no say???"Consequently, how powerful it should or shouldn't be because the NPC has already been bested is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that the fictional positioning changes to "you are a conscious actor lacking physical and magical restraint...but YOU WILL BEHAVE THIS WAY...FOR 1 WHOLE MINUTE no save."The fictional position is Come and Get It turned up to eleventy-nine. I don't see how this can possibly be up for dispute.</blockquote>

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