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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Torm" data-source="post: 1619511" data-attributes="member: 12706">Um, I hate to break it to you, but at least in the original trilogy, Vader was a GOOD guy. Let's examine the evidence:1. Choked a Rebel troop into unconsciousness at the beginning of a New Hope. Okay, we start on a negative note, but you can't be sure that guy was dead, and regardless, Vader, as we will see, had bigger fish to fry and needed to keep up his image to do it.2. Vader chokes Admiral Motti in the conference room, probably would have killed him if he could have gotten away with it without ruining his aforementioned essential image. Motti is a bad guy. One bad guy choked. Score 1 Good Point for Vader.3. Vader chokes Captain Needa, ostenibly for failing some task. Needa = high up mucky muck bad guy. Major Good Points for Vader here. Appoints an incompentent, but only slightly less high up mucky muck to take his place, knowing he'll screw up and give cause to strangle him later, too. More Good Points for Vader, and just plain smart, too.4. General Tagge, Admiral Ozzel, etc. More high mucky muck bad guys. He's destroying the evil organization from within, and they don't even see it! Good on Vader!And, finally, 5. Vader FINALLY gets the chance he's secretly been waiting for for YEARS - Palpatine is distracted with using his lightning on Luke. Vader weighs carefully, looks over the whole situation - is this the right time, at last? And then picks up Palpatine and throws him to his death, killing the Big Bad just like he, Yoda, and Ben planned years ago. 20 Billion Good Points - Vader. Also, finally, he can admit to his son that he's been a good guy the whole time, but he's so screwed up it doesn't come out very coherent. But he does at last get to float around all blue and stuff with Ben and Yoda in the Ewok Village - not because he was redeemed, but because he was serving good the whole time!<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />Seriously, though, I maybe see your dedicated Paladin being sad about it, and maybe offering one chance for redemption based on the notion that family must be alike, somehow. But then I see her wasting no time following up on whatever happens from there. She may come to the conclusion that the trait that runs in the family is a strong understanding of Good and Evil, and the difference is what they've done with that understanding.</blockquote>

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