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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9871996" data-attributes="member: 4937">The bonuses to DEX and CON modifiers are literally the only things that the class has going for it.  Without it, you are going to actually lag the Fighter in hit points, and probably in AC.The only real problem with either idea is the DEX is front loaded.  The CON modifier develops over time, but you get the same advantage from DEX at first level as at any other.  This leads to the theoretical 18 DEX, 18 CON barbarian being OP compared to any other class with the same stats at 1st level. The only thing the Barbarian does that I feel is really unfair, is the fact that not only is it immune to backstabs, but if you try to attack them in the back they get a free attack on you.  They don't get a free attack in any other circumstances, only in the situation where they are most disadvantaged.  I'm OK with barbarians having an "uncanny dodge" where they negate penalties from being attacked from behind, but not with the free attack.The main things that needs a rewrite though is removing the limitation of who they can associate with without losing the flavor of the class.  I have some ideas.</blockquote>