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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GuardianLurker" data-source="post: 269340" data-attributes="member: 786">Wow...Morrus -despite Eric's reluctance (something I share), I have to admit that the proper use of frames (mainly as top level nav bars) works very well. The site still needs to be navigable without them, of course, but it can provide a great deal of unification. If you use the readily available Javascripts, you can even set up a faux menu system from the nav bar (like M$ and Sun do), though I'm not sure the site is complex enough to need it.Another point in favor of a framed nav bar, is that it will promote some of the more "hidden" links; how many people actually visit the reviews page through the main page link at the top, compared to those who go directly to it? People gravitate towards the obvious.As for the level issue, as I've been reading through this, I was struck that most of the reorganization probably won't involve "demoting" groups deeper into the tree, but "promoting" them upwards (probably to the second tier). However, I'll also point out to the nay-sayers that the "deepest" tree currently is the community boards, which is exactly three deep (four if you count going to the actual posts). Everything else is currently "shallower". A perfect example of where adding levels (making the tree "deeper") would make a huge difference is the Links page (<a href="http://www.d20reviews.com/dndlinks.htm" target="_blank">http://www.d20reviews.com/dndlinks.htm</a>); putting each of those link groupings in a separate page would make the whole much more digestible. (As an aside, you may want to consider a "web ring" especially for the fan sites you list.)As for the "unifying graphics" concept, I think it works very well (having used it to great effect on my site), though I'm leery of Dice - especially spinning dice, and especially spinning dice with sound. The "gems" concept would work well, though, IMO.One final point to consider - this is (obviously) a content site; not something people come to see lots of pretty graphics but to get information. As such, it's going to be much more static than your average site, in terms of look & feel/navigation. At least, once you get it setup right. If you've gotten it to the point where all you're doing is providing the content (which I'm guessing you have), congratulations! You've done more than many, many professional web mavens, who dream of sites that run themselves.</blockquote>

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