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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tao" data-source="post: 4205211" data-attributes="member: 62326">Thanks for the feedback.  Like I said, this was just something I threw together quickly (less than an hour of real work) to show some of Chibbel’s concepts in a more “4e brand” feel.  Knowing what I do about large companies and branding, it doesn’t matter how good Chibbel’s design looks… if it doesn’t match the direction marketing and branding are going, it will go straight to the cutting room floor.  Its sad.  Its even tragic sometimes.  Its big business, and its the way things work.I honestly wasn’t trying to compete or steal Chibbel’s thunder.  Just trying to show a bit more the direction branding and marketing would be demanding.  I will definitely respond to your comments though.I honestly don’t know why I kept the side nav, to be honest.  That particular design is from an attempt I had made a while back to reskin the current site into a bit more open 4e look for myself through a CSS user style sheet (an intellectual exercise that I never ended up finishing).  That design was where I started with my own branding of Chibbel’s, but I ended up liking the top nav and used it instead.  The side nav should have been removed and the articles widened slightly.  Really just an issue of time (my wife got home early and we had a World of Warcraft date).  The collapsing articles may not be useful to some people, but it allows you to show a lot of articles in less space and gives the user control of what they want to see.  The default would be to show the newest five articles or so, with another 5-10 shown collapsed below.  Allows you to find fairly recent articles without resorting to the archives and without wasting a lot of space on what is essentially old news.The header probably should be toned down.  It originally didn’t have the news, (just image, logo, and login), but I added the news feature at the last second, since it is one of those things that marketing would likely be stuck on.  The best bet would be a slightly less busy header with a flash panel that cycles through the most important news and announcements.Lastly, for the "above the fold" theory, there is a lot more that goes into it.  Once you get people started, they are willing to scroll.  However, if the only thing on the page is the header and masthead (which would be the case with Chibbel's for anyone with a screen height of 900px or less, not unreasonable even now in the days of widescreen monitors) then it is a problem.  Its actually becoming a fairly common issue in the webdesign industry these days.  We forget not everyone is working on 36" monitors  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.  I’ve got 12 hour days all this week, but maybe I’ll have a few minutes free to touch it up real quick and give you a more polished looking design.</blockquote>

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